Pressure Points?

[Doc]

I think that pressure points can be used and studied and practiced but you have to be an expert at pressure point (I think) to be able to use them on the street because when you get into a "real" fight situation there will be adrenaline that needs to come into your thought too. If the attacker has an addrenaline rush or is high on some sort of drug or is drunk, I don't think pressure points will be effective in those situations. Just because they may or may not work doesn't mean you have to not use them. "Use what you got, when you got it." You should incorporate other things into pressure point training and not always rely on them.

Pressure points work fine sir, and have nothing to do with adrenal glands or drugs. If you "rely" on pressure points only, than you don't really understand how they function. Therefore there is no such thing as "relying on presure points."

 

[IWishToLearn]

Great discussion. That is all :lurk:

 

[Jagdish]

Can adding muscle on your "frame" difficult applying P.Points on you?

Yours,

Jagdish

 

[MJS]

Can adding muscle on your "frame" difficult applying P.Points on you?

Yours,

Jagdish

I'm no pressure point expert, but I would think that the set up would be important here. Just like applying a joint lock. Some people are going to have an easy time with the application and others will need to work the set-up a bit better.

Mike

 

[Doc]

Can adding muscle on your "frame" difficult applying P.Points on you?

Yours,

Jagdish

No, actually the muscle bound are easier and more susceptable.

 

[arnisador]

Can adding muscle on your "frame" difficult applying P.Points on you?

George Dillman said at a seminar that that may shift what's available but still leaves you with about as many options. He also said a beer belly has the potential to protect certain pressure points around the abdomen, and that that's why so many masters have them.

 

[Doc]

George Dillman said at a seminar that that may shift what's available but still leaves you with about as many options. He also said a beer belly has the potential to protect certain pressure points around the abdomen, and that that's why so many masters have them.

Well Sir, with all due respect to George, my experience is that extremes of muscle development actually define cavity locations more clearly as opposed to protecting them. Additionally from the SL-4 perspective, we recognize that nerve cavities are fluid as human anatomy and are not static in application, and are always subject to move. Understanding human anatomy in this fashion is a part of the methodology SL-4 utilizes anway, therefore muscle developement is a non-issue, and highlighhts the importance of "martial posture," offensively and defensively in actual application over "pressure point theory."

As for the "beer belly" protection, I don't drink and I think it is important it be unerstood the "belly protection" can be achieved in other ways as Mr. Parker taught me - well. It's a shame he passed before the proliferation of the All-you-can-eat Chinese buffet.

 

[parkerkarate]

George Dillman said at a seminar that that may shift what's available but still leaves you with about as many options. He also said a beer belly has the potential to protect certain pressure points around the abdomen, and that that's why so many masters have them.

LOL, that is hilarious

 

[arnisador]

LOL, that is hilarious

I take no position on it.

 

[arnisador]

Well Sir, with all due respect to George, my experience is that extremes of muscle development actually define cavity locations more clearly as opposed to protecting them.

I can imagine how this could be so. Hmmm, I guess I don't really know how muscle development "shifts" one's nerves, but it doesn't seem to me that they would be any more buried under the muscle than before.

Mr. Dillman also spoke about blood points (or attacks) and, if memory serves, muscle points, both of which were to be distinguished from nerve points. He told a couple of stories about blood and muscle points but didn't elaborate or demonstrate.

As for the "beer belly" protection, I don't drink and I think it is important it be unerstood the "belly protection" can be achieved in other ways as Mr. Parker taught me - well. It's a shame he passed before the proliferation of the All-you-can-eat Chinese buffet.

Ah yes! In the arnis organization to which I belong we have focused on the pizza-and-wings approach. Different paths, same goal!

 

[Doc]

I can imagine how this could be so. Hmmm, I guess I don't really know how muscle development "shifts" one's nerves, but it doesn't seem to me that they would be any more buried under the muscle than before.

You're correct sir. Muscle development actually defines point locations more clearly and pushes nerve cavities closer to the epidermis.

Mr. Dillman also spoke about blood points (or attacks) and, if memory serves, muscle points, both of which were to be distinguished from nerve points.

Yes sir, but in the Chinese perspective there is not much difference in application and there was no distinction in my understanding. But then we don't focus on "pressure points, nerve cavities" perse - they are a byproduct of the methodology that always seem to present themselve in our applications.

Ah yes! In the arnis organization to which I belong we have focused on the pizza-and-wings approach. Different paths, same goal!

You haven't lived until you get a pizza from "Rosarios." And you'll need help to get it to the car. - Uhhhh, not that I go there often or anything.

 

[Brother John]

I can imagine how this could be so. Hmmm, I guess I don't really know how muscle development "shifts" one's nerves, but it doesn't seem to me that they would be any more buried under the muscle than before.

When muscles hypertrophy they tend to fill in the most in the "belly" of the muscle, it's center. When that happens there's some area of separation, where you can visually distinguish say between the biceps and triceps of the upper arm. ((visualize two uninflated beach balls laying one atop the other, then you fill them both up equally, they will still be touching in the center...but the surface area of contact between them will decrease dramatically....see...)) Well... many, not all, pressure points (kyusho, as Mr. Dillman et al, is want to call them) lie along side bones or near the center of a limb. So when the developed muscles separate...they actually provide better/easier/clearer access to SOME nerves.... (not all).... and I think this may be what Mr. Chapel is refering too.
...accurate??

Your Brother
John

 

[Doc]

When muscles hypertrophy they tend to fill in the most in the "belly" of the muscle, it's center. When that happens there's some area of separation, where you can visually distinguish say between the biceps and triceps of the upper arm. ((visualize two uninflated beach balls laying one atop the other, then you fill them both up equally, they will still be touching in the center...but the surface area of contact between them will decrease dramatically....see...)) Well... many, not all, pressure points (kyusho, as Mr. Dillman et al, is want to call them) lie along side bones or near the center of a limb. So when the developed muscles separate...they actually provide better/easier/clearer access to SOME nerves.... (not all).... and I think this may be what Mr. Chapel is refering too.
...accurate??

Your Brother
John

Yeah, but you did a better job of describing it. May I steal your analogy?

 

[Brother John]

Yeah, but you did a better job of describing it. May I steal your analogy?

Royalties.....big brother............royalties........


Your Brother
John

 

[Doc]

Royalties.....big brother............royalties........


Your Brother
John

Somehow, I knew it was going to cost me. Do you happen to know either of my daughters? Your refrain sounds painfully familiar.

 

[howlingmadsifu]

Pressure points can be exremely effective in a fight if the proper application is executed on the proper point. I teach my students to never use a small target specific point that would rely on touch pressure in a active aggression situation as they rely on pain sensitivity. However, there are a number of pressure points that are easily found and struck or kicked that will disrupt a persons motor system such as the superficial peronial, femoral nerve, common peroneal, tibial and sciatic nerves in the legs, and all points connected to the brachial plexus origin in the upper torso and neck. I have taught these points for a decade and a half and have personally used them with great success. I agree with the body therapy suggestion to find points on yourself and would further suggest diving into a copy of grey's anatomy or any publication from Bruce Siddle at PPCT to actually see a map of these points. Hope this helped and good luck.