You should ignore Steve I think he’s a troll, he calls people who disagree with him liars.
you should look up Erik Paulson he’s pretty spiritual. People who learn MMA should at least be learning to be decent and honest
Please help me decide between these three Martial Arts schools in my area
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you should look up Erik Paulson he’s pretty spiritual. People who learn MMA should at least be learning to be decent and honest
I just don’t see why an MMA coach couldn’t include as much spiritualism as any TMA, nor why a TMA couldn’t be as devoid of it as any MMA program.
My TMA experience had a moderate amount of philosophy. I think there are youth sport coaches who offer a similar amount of philosophy.
I suspect the amount of spiritualism (or philosophy, which is what I think is actual under debate here) in most arts also depends upon the instructor.
Steve
Mostly Harmless
What’s really sad is I’m pro TMA and pro MMA. I just like them for what they really are, warts and all.
Steve
Mostly Harmless
I think the spirituality comes from the integrity of the activity. As I said, the more prominent “spirituality” is in the sales pitch, the less likely it is to be beneficial, in my opinion. It’s a red flag.
Steve
Mostly Harmless
Okay. Hold on. I think I get it. Do you all think something can only be spiritual if you are like meditating, praying, or in some other overt way doing “spiritual” things? Good lord. I think that’s it.
I won't call it mumbo jumbo because some Martial arts have a strong budism influence and some have a numerology influence. Traditional lion dance is like this. If someone does a lion dance for a Chinese wedding then doing certain patterns too much or not enough will bring bad luck to a wedding. This is what I'm talking about. This is all cultural things with a long history of tradition. A person can still train at a school like this without adopting it. But that won't stop the school from sharing that perspective. Some people take Martial arts for this reason. If that's what someone wants then they won't get stuff like that from MMA. It's not a dig at MMA. I'm not saying one is better.
Steve
Mostly Harmless
I think you’re making my point.
This wouldn't be spiritual to me. This is chemical and doesn't require self reflection. It doesn't require any beliefs or moral guidance to obtain this state. Totally biological.
No one said that's the only thing it's about. Again you twist things.
What point is that?
Steve
Mostly Harmless
I’m the one twisting things? Okay. I didn’t say anyone said that. When you understand the difference between saying and doing, you’ll understand how a person who says they can offer you spiritual benefits might not be able to do it.
Steve
Mostly Harmless
Finally, you’re asking yourself the right question. Go back and reread the posts with that question in mind. I’m trying to help you grow spiritually.
Steve
Mostly Harmless
You asked me to name one spiritual benefit of training MMA. I named one. I could name more if you like.
Almost all of the old systems do. That's the stuff that helps define Traditional in martial arts. Things like bowing, tea rituals, the way people sit, the way people enter or leave a room. All of that has come cultural meaning or some other significance not related to fighting. When I trained at a Kung Fu school, I couldn't enter or leave the class without bowing. I had to pay respect to the shrine. One day a kid bumped into the shrine and some fruit fell off the shrine. I thought that kid was going to die that day lol.
Weapons and other training equipment had to be positioned a certain way. The shrine had to be in a certain place as well. It couldn't be put out in the hallway. Lot's of cultural etiquette too. I didn't get a chance to learn it all. When I went to spar at the Sanda school I was supposed to pay respect to that school's shrine. My sifu at the time told me a little too late, but after he told me what I should have done, I started to do it. I personally like things like that because it's an easy and meaningful way to display respect to the those at the school and it's a nice humbling experience for me.
wolfeyes2323
Green Belt
Shotokan for self defense, it is a Martial art,
Kyokushin if you want to fight, it is a fighting art (rules,weight classes)
Tang soo do I do not know much about
MMA same as Kyokushin.
There is a difference between fighting , and training to fight
and training to not fight and still prevail.
Fighting is matching skills, Trading techniques,
Not fighting (self defense) is winning suddenly without even giving your opponent a chance,
Fighting requires strategy in the fight
not fighting requires strategy before the fight,
If you like to Fight , train to fight
if you want to survive , regardless of lighting, terrain, numbers, size, weight etc
train in a Martial Art.
Kyokushin if you want to fight, it is a fighting art (rules,weight classes)
Tang soo do I do not know much about
MMA same as Kyokushin.
There is a difference between fighting , and training to fight
and training to not fight and still prevail.
Fighting is matching skills, Trading techniques,
Not fighting (self defense) is winning suddenly without even giving your opponent a chance,
Fighting requires strategy in the fight
not fighting requires strategy before the fight,
If you like to Fight , train to fight
if you want to survive , regardless of lighting, terrain, numbers, size, weight etc
train in a Martial Art.
Nah dude. I asked you a question ha ha ha. If I go back and read, I'm just going to think what I already think now.
Steve
Mostly Harmless
That’s a shame. Maybe next time.
GuitaristDog87
White Belt
Sorry I got quiet everyone, still want to do a little more homework but I'm leaning towards Kyokushin Karate, we'll see.
You should try a class.
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