Pat Robertson calls for assassination of Chavez

[sgtmac_46]

Well now that we've established that the conservative elements in the forum no longer beleive that the media shapes or impacts public opinion in any way, I'll never have to hear about the problems presented by the liberal media or "liberal hollywood elites" like Micheal Moore (well, unless he's giving a college lecture) again. This is a productive discussion!

Since you weren't paying attention, let me says this again. Robertson is on the same level as the nut Professor who called for a "Million Mogadishu's", nothing more, nothing less. They both have power and influence, but some people choose to focus more on the damage of one than the damage of the other, because they tend to be more in line with the politics of one or the other. Nuff said.

 

[Marginal]

Since you weren't paying attention, let me says this again. Robertson is on the same level as the nut Professor who called for a "Million Mogadishu's", nothing more, nothing less.

Lets' put Pat Robertson in proper perspective here.

1) He owns and appears on his TV network daily.
2) He controls a great deal of money, money which he uses to advance his causes. (Lobbist groups etc)

The professor on the other hand does not posess his own personal TV network. And he likely does not have access to millions of dollars with which to further his particular agenda.

They both have power and influence.

Robertson posesses a deal more power and much more influence. As I said, if you argue that Pat Robertson is just as powerful as a college professor, then you're arguing that the media has no meaningful influence. I understand why you want to make college professors seem impossibly powerful, (lots of liberals in them there colleges) but really... Come on.

 

[sgtmac_46]

Lets' put Pat Robertson in proper perspective here.

1) He owns and appears on his TV network daily.
2) He controls a great deal of money, money which he uses to advance his causes. (Lobbist groups etc)

The professor on the other hand does not posess his own personal TV network. And he likely does not have access to millions of dollars with which to further his particular agenda.

Robertson posesses a deal more power and much more influence. As I said, if you argue that Pat Robertson is just as powerful as a college professor, then you're arguing that the media has no meaningful influence. I understand why you want to make college professors seem impossibly powerful, (lots of liberals in them there colleges) but really... Come on.

It never fails, though there is no obvious difference in the stupidity, you still try and try to paint Robertson as "More dangerous" while the leftist professor calling for the death of thousands of American troops as "less dangerous". And I understand why you want to overplay Robertson and underplay "college professor". Robertson is one of those "dangerous conservatives".

It's amazing when people can't even see their own biases. I haven't defended Robertson, I merely put him in perspective. You still feel the need to attack Robertson, while simultaneously making a backhanded effort to defend other kinds of idiots saying questionable things. Stupidity is stupidity. Robertson is NO MORE or LESS responsible for measuring his words than a college professor. I don't care how big his audience is.

I don't care about Robertson, I just want to see if you're willing to view stupid statements by leftists in the same light folks are attacking Robertson. Apparently not.

 

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It never fails, though there is no obvious difference in the stupidity, you still try and try to paint Robertson as "More dangerous" while the leftist professor calling for the death of thousands of American troops as "less dangerous". And I understand why you want to overplay Robertson and underplay "college professor". Robertson is one of those "dangerous conservatives".

You're changing the subject now. First you're talking about who's powerful, now you're talking about who's dangerous.

It's amazing when people can't even see their own biases.

Indeed.

I haven't defended Robertson, I merely put him in perspective.

Nope. You, like Fox news and a host of rightist pundits have been quick to marginalize Pat saying "Well, he's out of date, he's not that important, he has no influence..." That's not putting him in perspective. That's spin.

You still feel the need to attack Robertson, while simultaneously making a backhanded effort to defend other kinds of idiots saying questionable things.

Nope. I'm simply pointing out that Robertson has more influence than a random college professor.

Stupidity is stupidity. Robertson is NO MORE or LESS responsible for measuring his words than a college professor. I don't care how big his audience is.

He just happens to reach way more like minded people, and he's usually leading people in prayer while he's asking God to kill off liberal supreme court justices etc...

I don't care about Robertson, I just want to see if you're willing to view stupid statements by leftists in the same light folks are attacking Robertson. Apparently not.

Get someone of similar power up there saying something stupid, and I'd agree with you. A crazy professor ain't Jessie Jackson.

 

[Xequat]

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/8/24/122804.shtml?et=y

You guys should have some fun with this one.

 

[michaeledward]

Xequat - Stephenopolous was wrong, and should have been taken to task for the article. Although, no doubt, many conservatives cheered Stephenopolous' idea at the time.



On a side note ... has everyone seen the generous, some-might-say very Christian-like, offer from President Chavez?

The Venezuelan president, applauded by supporters for his self-proclaimed socialist revolution to fight poverty, has offered to send cheap fuel, humanitarian aid and relief workers to the disaster area.



Venezuelan state oil firm PDVSA has offered $1 million from its U.S.-based refinery unit Citgo for relief efforts.

But I especially find astute, the President's observation ...

"That government had no evacuation plan, it is incredible, the first power in the world that is so involved in Iraq ... and left its own population adrift," Chavez said in a cabinet meeting broadcast live on television.

...

"That man, the king of vacations ... the king of vacations in his ranch said nothing but, you have to flee, and didn't say how ... that cowboy, the cowboy mentality," said Chavez, chuckling in a reference to Bush without naming him directly.

 

[Xequat]

Xequat - Stephenopolous was wrong, and should have been taken to task for the article. Although, no doubt, many conservatives cheered Stephenopolous' idea at the time.

I agree, but I guess he wasn't. Who knows, but I'd guess that just as many liberals would have supported it as conservative support Robertson's idea, and I'd guess that just as many conservatives would have attacked it as there are liberals attacking Robertson. I'm just saying that it doesn't matter if you're left or right, if you call for the assaination of a foreign leader, you're wrong.

Yes, you are right. That is a great offer from Chavez. In fact, the UN is sending billions in aid, and a billion alone from France. Thank you.

If Chavez were so astute, then he'd know that the President can do everything he can do in the White House from his ranch in Texas. Congress is not in session, either. Nobody left anybody adrift. There were plenty of warnings, the southbound expressways were converted to run north for evacuees (thus answering Chavez' question of how to flee), and there were a few days in which to do it. As soon as vehicles are able to get back in there, I'm sure they will. It was the worst natural disaster in US history, and now somehow that's Bush's fault because he was not at the office that day?

 

[michaeledward]

It's nice to see that Pat Robertson's organization 'Operation Blessing' is third on FEMA's list of charitable organizations for New Orleans relief.

Yes ... Operation Blessing is listed right after the Red Cross and America's Second Harvest.

And a look to 'Faith Based Initiatives', take a look at the organizations listed by FEMA:

• American Red Cross
• America's Second Harvest
• Operation Blessing
• Adventist Community Services
• Bnai Brith International
• Catholica Charities, USA
• Christian Disaster Response
• Christian Reformed World Relief Committee
• Church World Service
• Convoy of HOpe
• Corporation for National and Community Service Disaster Relief Fund
• Feed the Children
• Lutheran Disaster Response
• Mennonite Disaster Service
• Nazarene Disaster Response
• Presbyterian Disaster Assistance
• Salvation Army
• Southern Baptist Convention - Disaster Relief
• United Jewish Communities
• Union for Reform Judaism
• United Methodist Committee on Relief

 

[mrhnau]

Michael,

Is it purely circumstantial that the first three are not like the rest of the list? After "Operation blessing", everything is alphabetical. Is this list supposed to catagorize how much each is donating? If so, thats a bit odd that the end is alphabetical. If its not catagorized that way, then is the information regarding OB being "third" from another source?

Also, what do you mean by being "third". How are you catagorizing being third? Money sent? People? Technical aid? The third to get there? Just curious!

Thanks!

MrH

 

[michaeledward]

Michael,

Is it purely circumstantial that the first three are not like the rest of the list? After "Operation blessing", everything is alphabetical. Is this list supposed to catagorize how much each is donating? If so, thats a bit odd that the end is alphabetical. If its not catagorized that way, then is the information regarding OB being "third" from another source?

Also, what do you mean by being "third". How are you catagorizing being third? Money sent? People? Technical aid? The third to get there? Just curious!

Thanks!

MrH

You are correct, the first three are 'Send Cash'. The rest are Cash or Volunteer. I thought I posted the link, sorry.

http://www.fema.gov/press/2005/katrinadonations.shtm

Some on this thread have said that Mr. Robertson is a "wacky, lunatic American". Others have sarcastically made excuses for Mr. Robertson. And here is the Federal government saying 'Send Him Cash'.

And I know, Operation Blessing isn't the same as sending the cash to the 700 club, but, the ties that Robertson has with corruption in Africa (Charles Taylor, Muboto Sese Seko) are fairly well documented.

Aren't there any charitable organizations in the country not aligned with a church? If not, can't we just call UNICEF?

 

[sgtmac_46]

You're changing the subject now. First you're talking about who's powerful, now you're talking about who's dangerous.

Indeed. Nope. You, like Fox news and a host of rightist pundits have been quick to marginalize Pat saying "Well, he's out of date, he's not that important, he has no influence..." That's not putting him in perspective. That's spin.
Nope. I'm simply pointing out that Robertson has more influence than a random college professor. He just happens to reach way more like minded people, and he's usually leading people in prayer while he's asking God to kill off liberal supreme court justices etc...

Get someone of similar power up there saying something stupid, and I'd agree with you. A crazy professor ain't Jessie Jackson.

I guess we have our answer in the form of race baiters trying to profit off of Hurricane Katrina. Funny how timely things come to light. In the word's of Kanye West, America is setup "to help the poor, the black people, the less well-off as slow as possible."

I'd be willing to bet Kanye West has a bigger audience than Pat Robertson. What's more dangerous to this country, one right wing religious nut calling on the assassination of a 3rd world thug, or Kanye West claiming that "whitey" is racist, and is just trying to rescue black people as slow as possible.

Which has the greatest potential for inciting violence? If one is protected, both are. What say you? Kanye isn't the only idiotic race baiter attempting to create conflict, either. We've got the two usual suspects, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, along with a whole host of others. And what they've all said is FAR worse and more damaging to the country than what Robertson said.

I truly doubt any of Robertson's middle aged audience is going to pickup a gun and assassinate Chavez. I think the odd's are far more likely that cops are going to get shot at in response to the idiotic words of race baiters attempting to start controversy.

Don't think so? Al Sharpton managed to get a jewish shop owner's store burned down and several people shot by calling him an interloper when he fired a guy. One of Sharpton's protestors shot several people and burned the store to the ground, and that was just over some guy getting fired.

Now, we have these guys telling disaster survivors that it's all "whitey" and the governments fault. Is it any wonder cops and rescue workers are getting shot at?

Again, it's enough to make me sick when I think that Americans of all races and colors are risking their own lives rescuing Americans of all races and colors, and these clowns have to use their celebrity to attempt to divide us in time of disaster. I'd love to hear someone actually defend this inanity.

 

[Makalakumu]

If you don't think racism is alive and well in the deep south (and in my neck of the woods for that matter) then, "you've got another thing commin'"

Can you honestly tell me that race (in a city that is 60% black in the deep south) played absolutely no part?

 

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Which has the greatest potential for inciting violence?

Personally, I think the fools gibbering garbage like "They should've just gotten out of the way!" Are more likely to directly be inciting violent responses.

And what they've all said is FAR worse and more damaging to the country than what Robertson said.

At least Jackson got us cheap Venesualian oil.

I truly doubt any of Robertson's middle aged audience is going to pickup a gun and assassinate Chavez.

Still trying to spin his influence down? 'Least you admit he has an audience no.

Again, it's enough to make me sick when I think that Americans of all races and colors are risking their own lives rescuing Americans of all races and colors, and these clowns have to use their celebrity to attempt to divide us in time of disaster. I'd love to hear someone actually defend this inanity.

This explains that bizarre anon rep ding I got a while back... One that was angry that I wasn't advocating a communistic uniformity in the US.

 

[sgtmac_46]

Personally, I think the fools gibbering garbage like "They should've just gotten out of the way!" Are more likely to directly be inciting violent responses.

At least Jackson got us cheap Venesualian oil.

Still trying to spin his influence down? 'Least you admit he has an audience no.

This explains that bizarre anon rep ding I got a while back... One that was angry that I wasn't advocating a communistic uniformity in the US.

Not sure I understand your anonymous rep ding reference. If you're insinuating it was me, you're mistaken. I'll ding you in the forum if I feel I have something to say, in view of everyone. I don't back down from debates. Why bother with anonymous dings, no one else can see them, and the audience principle is the point. Anonymous dings are a little passive aggressive for my tastes.

As for the asinine assertion that inciting racial violence by creating a racial issue where none need exist, isn't "dangerous", it really isn't worthy of a comment. Any reasonable person can see the inanity of that rationale. Especially when Al Sharpton and his ilk have talked his followers in to shooting people and burning down businesses over far less alleged provocation.

It wasn't that long ago that an Al Sharpton called a jewish shop owner an "interloper" and protested his store. Then, one of Sharpton's protestors entered the store, shot several people and set it on fire. Hmmmmm.

 

[sgtmac_46]

If you don't think racism is alive and well in the deep south (and in my neck of the woods for that matter) then, "you've got another thing commin'"

Can you honestly tell me that race (in a city that is 60% black in the deep south) played absolutely no part?

I guess racism is where you look for it.

What's more, yes, I can honestly say that race played absolutely no part in the response. It's played plenty of role in the asinine statements made afterwords, though.

Funny thing, when I first saw the devastation in New Orleans, I didn't see black people and white people, I saw Americans caught in a natural disaster. As time went by, I kept hearing "Pay attention to what race these people are" over and over again. Then I was told how racist I was, over and over again.
Racism is where you look for it.


I'm not exactly sure how we're supposed to END racism, with all this obsession with race and racial differences. I had always assumed racial neutrality was the ideal, race blindness, but perhaps i'm wrong and someone has come up with a new ideal for race relations.

Perhaps we are all supposed to abide by some complex racial hiearchical response to racial differences. Perhaps we're supposed to feel guilt in the presence of some race groups as pentence for some alleged past wrongs done by people other than ourselves.

Or maybe, everyone should just lighten up.