One steps & three step sparring. How many is using?

[Markku P]

Hi!

I am just thinking..How many is still training with 1-3 steps ( WTF/Kukkiwon )?
I quit teaching those two years ago. After training with it almost 30 years.

..just curious :angel:

 

[terryl965]

I do and will continue to. It is part of the curriculum of TKD

 

[andyjeffries]

I do and will continue to. It is part of the curriculum of TKD

I agree with Terry. It's part of the Kukkiwon's curriculum, if you want to consider what you do Kukkiwon-standard Taekwondo it should be taught. That said, I'm also in agreement with Punnui's position that we're all in a state of incompletely compliance and we practice 3-step far less often than we should (1-step is normal, and we treat 3-step as more for beginners).

 

[bluewaveschool]

We drill one steps constantly. We've never done 3 step.

 

[SahBumNimRush]

I suppose the OP doesn't technically include me, since I'm not KKW or ITF.. . BUT, we still practice 1 and 3 step sparring in our dojang. I believe, if done properly, it is a vital part of training for all ranks and skill levels.

 

[Manny]

In the dojang I am part of, sambunim do a light review of one steps maybe once or twice one week before kup examination, 3 steps sparring is something we don't do but in my former organization/dojang (Jido Kwan) we did very ofthen.

One and three steps are a fundamental part of the learning of TKD.

Manny

 

[leadleg]

IMHO, punching is probably the most used attack against males.We practice defense against punches,no step,one step,two step,three step. Some of those being high punch,middle punch,hook punch,knife,backfist,flurrys........
We then have a set for kicking defense that work the same one kick two..etc.
After those we practice defense from grabs, from there we do grapple defense.
That is the order we do them,but by far not all the s/d we practice.
The children have different s/d than the teens or adults.
We train the teen adults more often sometimes devoting the whole class 90 minutes to them.
Every sat morn is devoted to s/d and sport poomse,your choice,90 min.
Oh,I guess my answer is YES

 

[puunui]

How many is still training with 1-3 steps ( WTF/Kukkiwon )?

Three or one step sparring wasn't covered at the Kukkiwon Instructor Course that I attended. I don't think it was in the materials that we received for the course either, but I can check. I seem to remember it being in the Kukkiwon Textbook though.

 

[puunui]

By the way, when people do their one step sparring, are your hands down by your sides, or up guarding your head when you start your defense? How does that work?

 

[Markku P]

Here is how we did one steps (and three steps pretty much same way.)

We start again with step sparring because we finally got our own location so we can offer more classes.

/Markku

 

[leadleg]

IMHO, punching is probably the most used attack against males.We practice defense against punches,no step,one step,two step,three step. Some of those being high punch,middle punch,hook punch,knife,backfist,flurrys........
We then have a set for kicking defense that work the same one kick two..etc.
After those we practice defense from grabs, from there we do grapple defense.
That is the order we do them,but by far not all the s/d we practice.
The children have different s/d than the teens or adults.
We train the teen adults more often sometimes devoting the whole class 90 minutes to them.
Every sat morn is devoted to s/d and sport poomse,your choice,90 min.
Oh,I guess my answer is YES

I missed the KKW one step,my s/d is not KKW,sorry.

 

[andyjeffries]

By the way, when people do their one step sparring, are your hands down by your sides, or up guarding your head when you start your defense? How does that work?

In ours the defender starts from a regular kibon junbi and the attacker starts from an ap kubi seogi, arae makki.

Then again, I wasn't on the "hands up in guard" side of the fence during the recent discussion so I'm guessing you weren't asking me ;-)

 

[ralphmcpherson]

By the way, when people do their one step sparring, are your hands down by your sides, or up guarding your head when you start your defense? How does that work?

We do a bit of both. In the first few belts we do the hands down style (such as in form) and this is more to get the defender used to having an attack thrown at them and to learn a bit of distancing and evasion with some basic blocks. By black belt anytime we do a one step style SD drill we do it with the attacker standing more in a 'real life' style stance with the guard up and we no longer do the type where punches are thrown from the hip. We pretty much do it in a way that the attacker stands and moves and attacks like somebody would in a pub/street fight.

 

[SahBumNimRush]

For our standard one step and three step sparring the defender starts from ready motion stance; Jhoon-bi [FONT=&quot]준비[/FONT][FONT=&quot].
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[Gwai Lo Dan]

Here is how we did one steps (and three steps pretty much same way.)

We start again with step sparring because we finally got our own location so we can offer more classes.

/Markku

The one steps you show are pretty similar to those taught I've been taught. However, am I the only one who thinks though that they are about 80% impractical??

"I'll block this punch landing a foot in front of me and with a crescent kick". No one punches from a front stance, lands the punch a foot in front of the opponent, then leaves the arm there.

Imagine a boxer told you in advance, "I will punch you with a basic left jab". Even though you know what is coming, how many of the one steps would work?? There's definitely no way you could block the jab with a crescent kick.

 

[SahBumNimRush]

For the more advanced variations (i.e. grabs, chokes, multiple attackers, attackers with weapons, kicks etc.) the defender begins in a natural posture a.k.a. no formal stance or posture.

 

[dancingalone]

The one steps you show are pretty similar to those taught I've been taught. However, am I the only one who thinks though that they are about 80% impractical??

"I'll block this punch landing a foot in front of me and with a crescent kick". No one punches from a front stance, lands the punch a foot in front of the opponent, then leaves the arm there.

Imagine a boxer told you in advance, "I will punch you with a basic left jab". Even though you know what is coming, how many of the one steps would work?? There's definitely no way you could block the jab with a crescent kick.

I think it is obvious that these one steps are primarily about teaching and reinforcing basic TKD technique. They are not meant to teach practical self-defense otherwise their design would be different, perhaps even dramatically so.

What do we seek in self-defense? First, get out of the way of the attack. Second, flee if possible. Third, if fleeing is not possible, we want to counterattack right away. The icing on the cake is if in #1, we manage to move so that any second attack coming in is impossible or impeded in some fashion.

My thought is that one steps should follow these guidelines and they should be designed to be generic, i.e. so that they work against a variety of attacks, whether straight line or circular.

 

[Markku P]

For us one step and three step sparring is not for self defense purpose. We have a segment called "hosinsul" where almost everything goes. Of course with common sense, because we have many families and small children.

 

[puunui]

Andy asked about one step sparring books, and I figured this was a better place for it.

We already talked about GM Hee Il Cho's one step sparring book.

Here are some others that I have:

One-step Sparring by Shin Duk Kang (1978)

Encyclopedia of Taekwon-Do by General Choi Volume V (1983)

Complete One Step Fighting by Daeshik Kim (1985)

Tae Kwon Do One Step Sparring by Lee H. Park (1986)

Self Defense 100 One step sparring by Byung Y. Kwak (1991)

Taekwondo Hoshinsul by WTF (2006)

Taekwondo Step Sparring by Sang H. Kim (2010)

Probably self defense 100 is the most comprehensive, with 100 one step sparring techniques shown. Some of these books might be hard to get though, because they are probably out of print.

The most interesting is the one by the WTF, which is volume 2 of a three part book series. There are defenses against grabs, sticks, gun, as well as the standard one step sparring against punch. I guess this cuts against the argument of some that the WTF is only concerned about the "sport side" of Taekwondo.

 

[puunui]

Also, I figured I might as well list the Kwan backgrounds of the authors, in case there is someone out from the same lineage:


GM Hee Il Cho's one step sparring book. (Oh Do Kwan/Chung Do Kwan from Moonsan)

One-step Sparring by Shin Duk Kang (1978) (Moo Duk Kwan)

Encyclopedia of Taekwon-Do by General Choi Volume V (1983)

Complete One Step Fighting by Daeshik Kim (1985) (Chang Moo Kwan)

Tae Kwon Do One Step Sparring by Lee H. Park (1986) (Chang Moo Kwan)

Self Defense 100 One step sparring by Byung Y. Kwak (1991) (ITF Moon Mu Kwan)

Taekwondo Hoshinsul by WTF (2006) (authors are GM LEE Kyu Hyung and GM LEE Kyong Myong)

Taekwondo Step Sparring by Sang H. Kim (2010)(Jidokwan)