Ok I give up who the heck is Tom Carnes??

[Rocky]

DUDE,

GM Remy lived with Rocky. When he was not there he was traveling, and this was for a long time. Later he got a house and lived elsewhere.

Yet, we had lots of Private lessons with him. We would pay his full Seminar Fee and Fly him in and train with just our small club oh say 8 people splitting the cost. We would train like this for the weekend or for a week it was his down time.

As to seminars, I have been escorted out of them before by GM Remy because he would say to our group, "Hmmm They are not ready for you yet." Most of my training came from either the Old Man himself or from those he taught in 70's.

This is just another example of how you come across bad, and how you make it seem like only you were the ONE to train with GM Presas.

As to speaking the Art, you have said little I have heard that GM Remy himself say. Once again you make it sound like others do not get you, when all the rest of us can communicate just fine.

If everyone has a problem with you and only you, then maybe just maybe it is not the rest of the world but you yourself who has the problem communicating.

Back in the 70s when Remy first came to michigan the hot spot was Flint and from day. There were a number of guys training most came and went most never amounted to anything other then seminar people..... But I know fro a fact that JIM POWER and his crew of people were there from day one, and that the old man spent a lot of time privately with JIM and his guys.....Rich...being one of the guys!!! He would do a seminar and then spend a day with one on one training with a handfull of guys....

The reason Remy like the Flint crew ( ONCE the fly by nights were weeded out ) was because JIm and his crew never wanted anything other then the art, no one was kissing his *** for rank or trying to get anythin out of him.


Rocky

 

[Rocky]

Never tested at a summer camp or seminar. We always Flew GM Remy in for a testing. This did lead to Jeff Delaney calling me a liar about this, hence why I do not critique him or his org at all for I know I cannot keep an open mind with him for personal reasons.

This from a guy who has has how much training with Remy???? The fact that everything he has comes from a seminar is scary..... I have found there is a hugh difference between personal students and summer camp student.


Rocky

 

[monkey]

1st the tech. was short for technition of the art not technique.So lets talk the art (Sounds great.)1-palis palis was used by Remy & found in the Doce pare line also.To other arts like Kali the term Hubud can be use as referance.This drill gave great Rythem & Timeing as well as being able to respond to live attacks.Now Remy also used the term rampida I think this is right for the up & down.Arnis of the Modern Line deployed some empty hands (as Remy often said You know the stick,you know the art.)Some teachings due to distance or they werent ready were differant or distored.Example the De tranka had tapi tapi-knife defence-empty hands defence of the 13 counter for counter-stick defence-standing center locks to name a few.The 80-85 modern Arnis(which I just sent Mr.Hubbard a copy of as well as De tranka) had lower body attack with the stick or blade-sicaron type kicks & kuntao type defence.De tranka did how ere show the rare Abinico corto or close cutting/fanning art.It can be translated as short cut as well.

 

[monkey]

To answer the question of were did Remy get the Balintawak?He was good friend with Bobby Tabosa & Erwin Carmicheal.Erwin dose show up in Remys Pratical defence tapes 1-3.

 

[Blotan Hunka]

I think this posters main writing issue is that he doesn't use commas.

 

[Rich Parsons]

1st the tech. was short for technition of the art not technique.So lets talk the art (Sounds great.)1-palis palis was used by Remy & found in the Doce pare line also.To other arts like Kali the term Hubud can be use as referance.This drill gave great Rythem & Timeing as well as being able to respond to live attacks.Now Remy also used the term rampida I think this is right for the up & down.Arnis of the Modern Line deployed some empty hands (as Remy often said You know the stick,you know the art.)Some teachings due to distance or they werent ready were differant or distored.Example the De tranka had tapi tapi-knife defence-empty hands defence of the 13 counter for counter-stick defence-standing center locks to name a few.The 80-85 modern Arnis(which I just sent Mr.Hubbard a copy of as well as De tranka) had lower body attack with the stick or blade-sicaron type kicks & kuntao type defence.De tranka did how ere show the rare Abinico corto or close cutting/fanning art.It can be translated as short cut as well.

The five special strikes of Modern Arnis:

UP and Down
Rompida
Band y Banda
Abinico
Figure 8

Other terms used were Palis Palis and Crossada.

No where can I think of Palis Palis being like Hubud. Other than it is a type of flow drill. Maybe I am wrong as I am not an expect on JKD and it's Hubud. But I thought it was a four count move where one hard blocks or checks then inserts the other hand traps with the original hand and strikes with the other hand.

Can you describe how Palis Palis works? My understanding is not the same as the Hubud Drill listed above.

 

[Rich Parsons]

To answer the question of were did Remy get the Balintawak?He was good friend with Bobby Tabosa & Erwin Carmicheal.Erwin dose show up in Remys Pratical defence tapes 1-3.

OK

First you did nto understand me. You said that Remy did not have the Family System I said he did. You then now change it to where did he get Balintawak from and that if from Boby Taboada and Erwin Carmicheal?

This is 100% Wrong about GM Remy getting Balintawak from Gm Bobby Toboada.

GM Remy trained in GM Moncal as a Lefty in Balintawak. He then trained with GM Maranga who introduced him to GM Bacon. All of Balintawak. Both Moncal and Maranga did not do 100% Bacon's style and Remy admitted this, when he would introduce Manong Ted Buot of Balintawak and or tell some of his students to go train with Manong Ted.

Erwin trained with Remy before training with Tobaoda.

 

[monkey]

To the question whos strong point was Epie balintawak or Bruce Lee.If you read it you would see a dot that ended the Balintawak I i specified Bruce Lee did wing Chung as Base .His strong point was epie.That is so simple -how could some one of your skills not pay attention to the end of the sentence. Let me exsplain it for your. your so eagor to find fault im me & wont read the dot is the end ............

 

[Rich Parsons]

To the question whos strong point was Epie balintawak or Bruce Lee.If you read it you would see a dot that ended the Balintawak I i specified Bruce Lee did wing Chung as Base .His strong point was epie.That is so simple -how could some one of your skills not pay attention to the end of the sentence. Let me exsplain it for your. your so eagor to find fault im me & wont read the dot is the end ............

No Sir not eager to find fault, but eager to try to turn you into a positive member. You preivous posts were all over. Non continuous thoughts, that flowed back and forth. To assume would be an error on my part. So I asked for clarification.

 

[monkey]

Hubud to tie & untie.This is not Jeet kune do,Inosanto has it in kali.It is not a 4 count drill.If you see some one do 4 count-they dont know hubud-It has Locks-throws-kicks-puches much like a sparring type drill.Mr Hubbard has seen me do some in privote & I gave him a full view of what it look like in an advanced form.This was performed by Ernesto.Now the palis palis has the same type of drill.The angle of attacks are diferant but the results are the same.Rythem & timing-speed-power-simulate real attacks with control & able to react.The palis palis has the box patern & hubud has a rise slap & hit.palis palis is a lift & gunt or lock or palm to face.This footage was just sent to Mr. Hubbard toady of Remy doing this in 1984-5.

 

[PeteNerd]

Just a general observation on this thread, for being practicioners of a Filipino Martial Art, you guys are being pretty harsh about Monkey's grammar. Give the guy a break, obviously english isn't his first language. As far as his claims or whatever I don't really have any comment

Pete

 

[Rich Parsons]

Just a general observation on this thread, for being practicioners of a Filipino Martial Art, you guys are being pretty harsh about Monkey's grammar. Give the guy a break, obviously english isn't his first language. As far as his claims or whatever I don't really have any comment

Pete

Pete,

I do believe that he answered that English is his first language.

Thank you for your note though.

 

[monkey]

If you have a copy of the De tranka tapes Remy clearly states I know Balintawak as major art & I mixed it with the family art.These tapes have Dr.Shea-Delanay-McManan-Chuck Knughst or something of that.Never met him or asked how its spelled & there were a few others.

 

[Rich Parsons]

Hubud to tie & untie.This is not Jeet kune do,Inosanto has it in kali.It is not a 4 count drill.If you see some one do 4 count-they dont know hubud-It has Locks-throws-kicks-puches much like a sparring type drill.Mr Hubbard has seen me do some in privote & I gave him a full view of what it look like in an advanced form.This was performed by Ernesto.Now the palis palis has the same type of drill.The angle of attacks are diferant but the results are the same.Rythem & timing-speed-power-simulate real attacks with control & able to react.The palis palis has the box patern & hubud has a rise slap & hit.palis palis is a lift & gunt or lock or palm to face.This footage was just sent to Mr. Hubbard toady of Remy doing this in 1984-5.

Tom,

It is good of you to say what I say was not all of hubud.

It is good of you to explain the more with locks, etcetera, as this is what I know Palis Plais or Flow drill as in the advnaced form. As you said the box is to the beginning sequence. Then you can go from there.

It is not good to continue to keep trying to make the point that it is in your video. And the Mr. Hubbard has it. I am sure Mr. Hubbard is fine with the new tape. I am sure you have such tapes or you would not offer to send them. It is just not required for this discussion.

 

[monkey]

Nationality of the monkey my mom had Spanish-indian-& philippino.My dad was African-chinese & Itainal decent.I speak bits & peices of differant.Not around long enough to get whole languue.I speak english but some of what is off British line.So If I spoke that youd be lost.

 

[Rich Parsons]

Nationality of the monkey my mom had Spanish-indian-& philippino.My dad was African-chinese & Itainal decent.I speak bits & peices of differant.Not around long enough to get whole languue.I speak english but some of what is off British line.So If I spoke that youd be lost.

Ok Monkey,

What country did you learn to speak in first?

What country did you spend most of your time?

You claim to have been in the US since the late 70's per teh Modern Arnis psots and earlier per your JKD and Bruce Lee posts. Say around the early 70's at least. This gives you over 35 years in the USA.

So I ask again what is your native language.

Not what you can speak or how many languages you speak a little of , but what is the language you use every day to buy food and gasoline, and what languauge if it is different did you use while in school?

 

[monkey]

I know bits of spanish as it dose mix with the phlippino.Example some arts use uno-doce- philippino uses isa - dilawa, Now they both have redondo-corto-e spada y daga to name a few.

 

[monkey]

Now it is true I was with Bruce Lee 1968-9 from 1975-8 I was with Jose Presas in the Philippines.1979-early 80 Sacramento Ca.1980 I had a school in Vegas Nv for 3 months.Joined the army for 8 yrs.I had time in China for KuntaoMonkey(1989) as well as Tai Chi & Paqua.When my teacher died in 89 I continued from Earl Montaigu & hold a black sash for Tai chi & paqua.I also had Kosho kempo & have a master from Tom Mitose & Arnold Gulb.My last art to study was Doce Pare & I hold Instructor from Jonus Mayo.

 

[shesulsa]

What Is Your Primary Language?

Qual Es Su Lingua Primera?

 

[monkey]

I will say a ebonic type english.I can speak it good , but writtieng isnt the best.This should help a bit.Cheekie but dont be daft.