Oh, dear... Mr. Foley

[Jonathan Randall]

The stories I heard would gag a maggot. The entire congress, from both parties, just seem to think that they can get away with anything as long as their staff keeps things quiet. Considering the fact that someone was caught of sleeping with a page younger than the age of consent and managed to serve until he retired, I guess they don't have to worry.

Japan is a bigger trading partner and a more important ally than most third world nations. Yet when the 1995 Kobe earthquake hit, there really was not a lot of congressmen who showed up to survey the damage done. Keep that in mind as you see what happens whenever a place like Belize has some sort of natural disaster. Not only that, but the various trade delegations and such seem to go to third world nations and not those like Japan. What do these nations seem to have in common? They all are notorious for underage prostitution. :angry:

It happened under democrats, and this type of abuse of power is still going on. It is a matter of people who think that because they give their life in service to America that they deserve a little slack when it comes to legal and moral issues. That and that they think that the laws they write do not apply to them.

And yeah, you can't do anything based on rumors and stories. You can't act against someone, you can't even investigate someone if it is one of those friend of a friend type of things. Unless some of the staff that set these type of thing up and clean up afterwards comes forward, the slime balls are going to keep at it. And those that know are probably not eager to go through the public flogging that we saw the women involved in the Clinton scandal went through. That type of behavior is just part and parcel of the political situation in Washington and it makes me sick.

Amen!

That's why I said in the beginning that this was NOT a Democrat or Republican issue, rather a human one. Both parties in Congress have skeletons in their closets and NEITHER has a monopoloy on either good or evil. Let's face it, Democratic Congressman and women would probably try to cover for one of their own as quickly as Republican - and vice versus.

Much of this "outrage" is simply posturing.

 

[michaeledward]

One can find it very amazing, that in a thread about Mark Foley, a Republican Congressman being disgraced from office for his behavior with minors, a great big post can take place talking about how disgusting Congress is that mention by name the Senior Senator from Massachusetts, the immediate past President, and child prostitution.

Not a single verifiable accusation. Just innuendos and smears.

Much Like Fox News labelling Mr. Foley a Democrat, this is a mindless tactic of ideological Republicans to make the ascertion "The other guy does it to".

Amazing, indeed. Except, so far, it has no bearing on the facts in evidence.

Character Assassination, I think it is called.

 

[mrhnau]

Character Assassination, I think it is called.

And Democrats know absolutely NOTHING about that one.

 

[Don Roley]

Much Like Fox News labelling Mr. Foley a Democrat

You seem to be trying to get as much as possible out of a mistake by a technician. I really do not think that anyone could expect to get people to believe that Foley was a democrat.

The amount of slime that goes on in the house and senate is not a secret. It goes into both parties and has existed for a long, long time. I don't think anything would get you to change your tune since you are quite eager to attack Foley for exchanging e-mails with someone under 18, but when a democrat actually sleeps with someone we think is too young to make decisions for themselves, you label it as such...

To complain that the Democrats recognize diversity, and allow gay men to serve openly in congress and return a gay man to office,

That still blows my mind. Foley is a fornicator for exchanging e-mails but the guy who slept with someone underage is not given any hell.

I know that kids at that age are very vulnerable and are easily manipulated. They think, even years after, that what they did was their own choice. But they are used by the most loathsome of creatures. The age of consent is there because we do not think they have the abilities to make an informed decision to consent or not.

I am very disturbed with this whole thing. People are so eager to promote a party that they are trying to make it sound like changing leadership will return the congress to a golden age. But the problems are deep and have been around for a long time. If we merely think we can change things by electing democrats or getting another speaker, then people will cluck and pat themselves on the back over how they dealt with the issue and let these perverts continue on with what they are doing.

Much of this "outrage" is merely posturing.

 

[michaeledward]

You seem to be trying to get as much as possible out of a mistake by a technician. I really do not think that anyone could expect to get people to believe that Foley was a democrat.

Now, that really is funny.

Bill O'Reilly allowing a mistake on his program. This is the guy who said the American Military killed surrendering Nazi's at Malmady ... He got it exactly backward and wrong ... and still hasn't corrected the record.

And that you believe that it is a 'possible milstake' .... or seem willing to give a pass on this is .... well, just, amazing ....

Thanks, I needed a good laugh.

 

[Don Roley]

Now, that really is funny.

Bill O'Reilly allowing a mistake on his program.

The technicians that run the things like this do tend to make mistakes. I remember one case on CNN where the subtitle under the screen listed the shuttle as going the speed of light. :uhyeah:

Now if they talked about Foley being a member of the Democratic party, and tried to steer the conversation into the impact on the DNC, then you might have a point.

But this was a simple case of someone asleep at the switch. Happens sometimes. And it also happens that people try to make little mistakes like this sound a lot more sinister than they really are for political gain.

 

[michaeledward]

The technicians that run the things like this do tend to make mistakes. I remember one case on CNN where the subtitle under the screen listed the shuttle as going the speed of light.
Now if they talked about Foley being a member of the Democratic party, and tried to steer the conversation into the impact on the DNC, then you might have a point.

But this was a simple case of someone asleep at the switch. Happens sometimes. And it also happens that people try to make little mistakes like this sound a lot more sinister than they really are for political gain.

Journalistic Integrity would demand that an onscreen correction be issued for such a mistake.

From Fox - No such thing is forthcoming. And you continue to excuse the mistake.

If you were to doubt that real journalists would correct their errors, take a quick look at the Associated Press. They made a similiar error. They immediately issued a correction.

Apparently, the Associated Press retains some integrity. Fox News, not so much.

 

[Don Roley]

Journalistic Integrity would demand that an onscreen correction be issued for such a mistake.

From Fox - No such thing is forthcoming.

I don't know if they did. I do not know if you would know about it if they did or would report it either. And I never heard of the CNN typo I mentioned being corrected.

I am amazed that you think that Fox would believe they could convince people that Foley was a democrat in all this uproar. It is like trying to convince people that Bush is Russian. The idea that some tecnician made a typo is far more believable. But I guess if someone is eager to attack Fox they would jump on any chance they could.

Take a look at the Fox news web site at foxnews.com. Does it look like they are trying to fool people into thinking Foley was a democrat? And since the only source that seems to have caught this is Bradblog.com, are we even really sure that it is not a case of someone with a photoshop program?

 

[michaeledward]

I don't know if they did. I do not know if you would know about it if they did or would report it either. And I never heard of the CNN typo I mentioned being corrected.

I am amazed that you think that Fox would believe they could convince people that Foley was a democrat in all this uproar. It is like trying to convince people that Bush is Russian. The idea that some tecnician made a typo is far more believable. But I guess if someone is eager to attack Fox they would jump on any chance they could.

Take a look at the Fox news web site at foxnews.com. Does it look like they are trying to fool people into thinking Foley was a democrat? And since the only source that seems to have caught this is Bradblog.com, are we even really sure that it is not a case of someone with a photoshop program?

Are you accusing me of lying? Why does that not surprise me?

http://www.mediainfo.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003221594

"Once it came to our attention, we removed the incorrect chyron immediately," said David Tabacoff, executive producer of the Fox News Channel show hosted by Bill O'Reilly, who also does a newspaper column distributed by Creators Syndicate. "We didn't run a correction per se."

Foley was mislabeled on O'Reilly's Tuesday show. When the program was rebroadcast, the Democrat label was scrubbed but not replaced with a Republican one.

. . . . .

An Associated Press story Wednesday also erroneously called Foley a Democrat. AP issued a correction about three hours later, according to BradBlog.com.

 

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[Don Roley]

So I guess that all the screaming that is going on in the internet about this being a deliberate attempt to label Foley a democrat is a modern day witch hunt. It was a mistake and not a conspiracy.

 

[michaeledward]

So I guess that all the screaming that is going on in the internet about this being a deliberate attempt to label Foley a democrat is a modern day witch hunt. It was a mistake and not a conspiracy.

So, this is the extent of your apology for accusing me of falsehoods?

The photo remains in circulation, and remains uncorrected, no photo showing (R-FL) out there .... some mistake.

 

[Don Roley]

So, this is the extent of your apology for accusing me of falsehoods?

I never accused you of lying. Re-read what I wrote. Best listen to the moderator and let the matter drop.

The photo remains in circulation, and remains uncorrected, no photo showing (R-FL) out there .... some mistake.

Not on anything run by Fox. They made a mistake. They even admitted it on a link you yourself provided. The fact that others like Bradblog still have the original image up seems a really strange thing to try to pin on Foxnews.

 

[michaeledward]

This in from Fox News ... from the 'Beltway Boys' program.

Lincoln Chaffee is not a (D)
Sheldon Whitehouse is not an (R)

 

[Don Roley]

What does that have to do with Foley?

Obviously some technician has made another mistake and they should look into it. This seems like a pretty silly attempt to make a conspiracy out of some technical goofs. Might as well be talking about Gore's trying to take credit for the internet.

 

[michaeledward]

Oh, this is priceless ...

http://ni9e.com/foley/foleybot.html

Take a look.