the fact that two students using,actual power is note worthy suggests that the spring done at his class is low speed gentle soft touch and that is mostly useless for the,development of the students, it sounds like the young girl and the old lady need a tougher group to work with
well , they really shouldn't, not twice anyway, it can only be unexpected the first time and their conditioned response should kick in to block or move at an appropriate speed, however if they are only experienced at people throwing lazy low speed punches at them, then yes they may well be caught out, but that the hen is a fault of the training not teaching them to deal with power movements that they are not expecting. It's a ma class, you shouldn't really get sucker punched, when you are expecting a punch
It would be noteworthy at any time when the class has been instructed to moderate. If those two were going full-out, it should be notable almost anytime - most of us will rarely (if ever) go full-on in a class.
Not my view, at all. I've been sucker punched by someone who said they wanted to do some light sparring, then flipped the switch to full speed between punches. When you're working to moderate your reactions, it takes real time for those instructions to change. I've not measured it, but I estimate it doubles the reaction time when changing gears like that. It's why a changeup pitch works in baseball.
Wow that's all I can say about you..you must live in a nice little fantasy world where you make things up with no evidence. Our gym is made up of competitive fighters and a number of British and Europeian champions in different categories
i don't under stand why your working to moderate( slow down) your reactions, this is straying off to the other discussion on working on your speed, the only reason for learning to work with slow punches is you are building the movement pattern, once you have established that then you need to de it at greater and greater speed to build up the speed of your movement. Other wise you development stops there and you will never build the reactions and muscle connection to deal with a faster movement.
and are the British champions,complaining about a dangerous,12yo girl or is that just you?
who the hell is complaining Im done replying to you have fun in your fantasy land
There are two reasons I commonly moderate my speed. You mentioned the first: to work on movement patterns. The other is to work with people who are working on their movement patterns (or just someone who is far less skilled).
building on that, I've been drilling with the young guy who is very fast, we start of nice and slow to get the movement pattern establish then its full speed full power, if i don't move fast enough i get punched, that has sped up my movements no end. Continuing slow the slow movement for an extended period is of no use at all. That's where Tma falls down, to much pratise nor enough realism
yes i can see that teaching is different to learning, but to much of that abd not enough speed development work will have you slowed down to the level you spend most time operating at
That depends what you're training. Wrestling does a lot of slow work, as does BJJ. Why? Because that's how you best learn complex technical movement. With strikes, there's less need, as the movement is less complex. Most striking systems (including boxing, karate, etc.) slow things down to work on specific concepts, then speed them up gradually but quickly. We do the same when working with strikes, or with a grappling technique that is already known. With a new grappling technique, trying to speed it up too soon can result in a much longer learning curve.
It will, but it's less a matter of muscle speed (that I keep developed with my bag work, etc.) and more a matter of pattern recognition. I don't face fast, intense strikes nearly as much as I did 15 years ago, so my ability to recognize them has dropped off a bit. Others don't seem to notice it, but I do.
its not a case of speeding it up to soon, if its failing its to fast, but it should be done at the fastest speed that allows it to be correctly exicuted.. In he real world great speed and less than perfect techneque has a habit of trumping great technique but ponderous speed.
Nothing I especially disagree with, when we are talking about actual application. For learning, though, going faster and doing something (other than the technique/application intended) isn't effective, even if it "works". You won't have developed that tool. In free sparring, your concept is applicable. When developing a tool, it does not.
I can't disagree, Danny, but I do find it gives me a chance to challenge my own thought processes. Besides, I gotta.
This doesn't hold true if you are teaching and coaching your student as you spar, which is something I always do as an instructor. It may be different if someone doesn't have to split their attention between landing good shots, avoiding shots, and watching the student so that I can be aware of their weaknesses and if they put themselves at great risk.
oh I read it as one student was more advanced than the older or bigger and stronger than the other and that it was the least experienced or the weaker of the 2 that were going at it hard.
I think that's also true - that these folks were probably outclassed - and as others mentioned it probably contributed. But anytime someone is expecting moderation, because that was the direction, and gets something different, that's a setup for a problem.
