Obama calls fluke over fake controversy

[Big Don]

 

[WC_lun]

Wow Don. I think that's a new low for you.

 

[ballen0351]

Wow Don. I think that's a new low for you.

Thats low? We had people dancing on a dead mans grave a few days ago and thats low?

 

[Sukerkin]

I didn't see any such thing, Ballen.

- I saw Elder express his opinion about the divisive views of a chap who expired relatively young.

- I read some frothy responses to that from contributors getting a little hot under the collar.

I didn't revisit the thread too much as it was causing me to be embarassed for all involved - it's the Englishness that runs through me, I can't help it - so did it devolve into an 'inappropriate dancing' event?

 

[crushing]

The Democrats likewise have made much of this; it's perfect election-year politics to distract the public from real issues.

This! This is about running an election against Limbaugh, rather than on one's own record. It's about running on fear, uncertainty, and doubt. Manipulate a couple words from fringe people and create guilt by association. It's about manufacturing memes that stick. Stuff like this.

 

[granfire]

Wow Don. I think that's a new low for you.

He just proves my point of this chauvenist crap being everywhere.

Thats low? We had people dancing on a dead mans grave a few days ago and thats low?

Hmm, considering the dead man was no saint in that perspective either....
Oh, right. It's a guy...who lived to stir up trouble...
But it's ok to call a woman derogatory names when she is exercising her rights given by the laws of this country to get involved into the affairs of her life.
Right.
Misogynistic crap.

I didn't see any such thing, Ballen.

- I saw Elder express his opinion about the divisive views of a chap who expired relatively young.

- I read some frothy responses to that from contributors getting a little hot under the collar.

I didn't revisit the thread too much as it was causing me to be embarassed for all involved - it's the Englishness that runs through me, I can't help it - so did it devolve into an 'inappropriate dancing' event?

I did not see any dancing besides the general tenor that it probably sad for his family and friends, but the resulting silence is precious.


But this character assassination is really petulant. Seems the 'gentlemen' have run out of ideas to justify the status quo of keeping BCP an out of pocket expense (while enjoying the benefits of the paid blue pill I might add yet again), so they attack the messenger with a vengeance, quiet the norm for when the sensical argument runs out.

(and to the boob that equated cost of school with having money.....education you can get on a finance plan...try to have your pharmacist give you a 30 year loan on the prescription!)

 

[granfire]

This! This is about running an election against Limbaugh, rather than on one's own record. It's about running on fear, uncertainty, and doubt. Manipulate a couple words from fringe people and create guilt by association. It's about manufacturing memes that stick. Stuff like this.

did billi compose the poster?

 

[elder999]

Don, as I posted here, she didn't testify about her own behavior at all. She testified about women she knew that needed contraceptives-the pill-for medical reasons other than birth control, and their being denied it. And, as I've posted elsewhere, some forms of the pill can cost about $1000 a year.

So, she didn't "announce to the world that she's an insatiable slut." For all we know, she's a virgin.....

This! This is about running an election against Limbaugh, rather than on one's own record. It's about running on fear, uncertainty, and doubt. Manipulate a couple words from fringe people and create guilt by association. It's about manufacturing memes that stick. Stuff like this.

I am so stealing that! Thanks!

 

[granfire]

QUOTE=Big Don;1467732]

Don, as I posted here, she didn't testify about her own behavior at all. She testified about women she knew that needed contraceptives-the pill-for medical reasons other than birth control, and their being denied it. And, as I've posted elsewhere, some forms of the pill can cost about $1000 a year.

So, she didn't "announce to the world that she's an insatiable slut." For all we know, she's a virgin.....






I am so stealing that! Thanks![/QUOTE]


Nice try, but any woman wanting BCP is a slut. Rush said it, it has to be true. F that B who lost an ovary. She's gay anyhow, which is against the natural order, so who gives a rip if she experiences early onset of menopause, osteoporosis, hairloss, cardiac problems or whatever else one can experience from losing hormones naturally produced by your body....

</SARCASM>

since so many here have a problem detecting it...

 

[ballen0351]

elder look at what her organization is about it has nothing to do with bc for other medical reasons they are about bc for well bc. I have no problem with her using bc for whatever she wants what i do have a problem with is her saying i cant afford it so you need to provide it for me. I have a problem with someone saying i want something but i dont want to pay for it so ill get the govt to get it for me. If bc is so important to her maybe she should give up her iphone or god forbid get a job. I know 3 lawyers that wrre full time police police officers with wives and children and were able to go to law school at the same time. Shes 30 time for her to grow up and act like an adult and stop running to the govt for all her wants. The govt is not the solution.

 

[ballen0351]

I didn't see any such thing, Ballen.

- I saw Elder express his opinion about the divisive views of a chap who expired relatively young.

- I read some frothy responses to that from contributors getting a little hot under the collar.

I didn't revisit the thread too much as it was causing me to be embarassed for all involved - it's the Englishness that runs through me, I can't help it - so did it devolve into an 'inappropriate dancing' event?

a vile, miserable, unscrupulous example of a human being, whose sole purpose in life seemed to be to sow contention, no matter the cost-it's only the idea of his passing in such an undignified manner, with his pants around his ankles, like Elvis, that makes me chuckle this morning,

I'm having a hard time getting my "give a ****" meter to register at all.....

gleeful imagination upon turning on the morning news-as I posted, the idea of it made me chuckle.

I can honestly say that I turned on Fox News this morning, and knew it was gonna be a good day.

Just glad he's gone.

I'M AWFULLY GLAD THAT HE WON'T BE TALKING ANYMORE, THOUGH!

I'm glad that they've been shut up, simply because they've stopped breathing



Seems like dancing to me. That was just the 1st 3 pages

 

[crushing]

Nice try, but any woman wanting BCP is a slut. Rush said it, it has to be true.

Actually, if you get past the media headlines, you will find that this isn't true. It seems almost nobody cares what is true. There are agendas to be advanced.

 

[elder999]

Seems like dancing to me. That was just the 1st 3 pages

Nah. "Dancing" is more like this:



or this:

Well, maybe not that-I don't know what that was. :lfao:...more like this:

Some of what that is was joking. Most of it was very serious, though-I should be a hypocrite, and Boo-hoo, he was so young!, when people all over the world who matter to someone else die every minute of every day? Let it go, dude-he was a vile, despicable waste of intelligence.

So am I, if you like. Let it go.

 

[ballen0351]

Actually, if you get past the media headlines, you will find that this isn't true. It seems almost nobody cares what is true. There are agendas to be advanced.

If you actually Listen to what Rush really said he specifically said he wasnt calling her a slut. But as you said where is the fun in the truth.

 

[ballen0351]

should be a hypocrite, and Boo-hoo, he was so young!,

No you could have just not said anything. Like mamma always said if you dont have anything nice to say

 

[elder999]

No you could have just not said anything. Like mamma always said if you dont have anything nice to say

So, I have an opinion on something, and I should keep it to myself because you don't care to see it?

My mamma, btw, never said any such thing. \

Like I said, at the risk of further thread drift, I'm glad he shut up-I'm not particularly glad he's dead, but if that's what it took, better sooner than later.

I suppose one could hope that Rush isn't taking very good care of himself, what with obesity, pills, cigars and scotch and all, but I don't-his losing sponsors and affiliates to the point where he no longer has a platform for bat**** crazy, misogynistic, hate-filled untruths would be more than enough.

 

[ballen0351]

Your entitled to an opinion and Im entitled to call you on it. So to bring it back on topic why is it ok for you to say evil things about a dead man but its not ok for Rush to say what he says?

 

[elder999]

So to bring it back on topic why is it ok for you to say evil things about a dead man but its not ok for Rush to say what he says?

I didn't say "evil things." I told the truth-if I said Rush Limbaugh is a fat idiot and a liar" today, and he died today, and tomorrow I said Rush Limbaugh was a fat idiot and a liar how would it suddenly become any less true? Or "evil" to say as much?


It's not okay for Rush to say what he said in this instance because it's not true-she's wasn't saying that the government should pay for her to have sex.

 

[ballen0351]

I didn't say "evil things." I told the truth-if I said Rush Limbaugh is a fat idiot and a liar" today, and he died today, and tomorrow I said Rush Limbaugh was a fat idiot and a liar how would it suddenly become any less true? Or "evil" to say as much?


It's not okay for Rush to say what he said in this instance because it's not true-she's wasn't saying that the government should pay for her to have sex.

She said the Govt should pay so she can have worry free sex. You keep bringing up this BC for other medical reasons but that's not what she was arguing for and that not what her group fights for the very first line in there mission statement talks about preventing pregnancy. The first 5 min of her opening statement to congress was addressing contraception not medical reasons. If contraception is her argument we can save the govt a ton of money and hand out condoms and not cost the tax payer a $1000 per year per student.

 

[elder999]

She said the Govt should pay so she can have worry free sex. You keep bringing up this BC for other medical reasons but that's not what she was arguing for and that not what her group fights for the very first line in there mission statement talks about preventing pregnancy. The first 5 min of her opening statement to congress was addressing contraception not medical reasons. If contraception is her argument we can save the govt a ton of money and hand out condoms and not cost the tax payer a $1000 per year per student.

Oh for pity's sake.

Leader Pelosi, Members of Congress, good morning, and thank you for calling this hearing on women&#8217;s health and allowing me to testify on behalf of the women who will benefit from the Affordable Care Act contraceptive coverage regulation. My name is Sandra Fluke, and I&#8217;m a third year student at Georgetown Law, a Jesuit school. I&#8217;m also a past president of Georgetown Law Students for Reproductive Justice or LSRJ. I&#8217;d like to acknowledge my fellow LSRJ members and allies and all of the student activists with us and thank them for being here today.
Georgetown LSRJ is here today because we&#8217;re so grateful that this regulation implements the nonpartisan, medical advice of the Institute of Medicine. I attend a Jesuit law school that does not provide contraception coverage in its student health plan. Just as we students have faced financial, emotional, and medical burdens as a result, employees at religiously affiliated hospitals and universities across the country have suffered similar burdens. We are all grateful for the new regulation that will meet the critical health care needs of so many women. Simultaneously, the recently announced adjustment addresses any potential conflict with the religious identity of Catholic and Jesuit institutions.
When I look around my campus, I see the faces of the women affected, and I have heard more and more of their stories. . On a daily basis, I hear from yet another woman from Georgetown or other schools or who works for a religiously affiliated employer who has suffered financial, emotional, and medical burdens because of this lack of contraceptive coverage. And so, I am here to share their voices and I thank you for allowing them to be heard.
Without insurance coverage, contraception can cost a woman over $3,000 during law school. For a lot of students who, like me, are on public interest scholarships, that&#8217;s practically an entire summer&#8217;s salary. Forty percent of female students at Georgetown Law report struggling financially as a result of this policy. One told us of how embarrassed and powerless she felt when she was standing at the pharmacy counter, learning for the first time that contraception wasn&#8217;t covered, and had to walk away because she couldn&#8217;t afford it. Women like her have no choice but to go without contraception. Just last week, a married female student told me she had to stop using contraception because she couldn&#8217;t afford it any longer. Women employed in low wage jobs without contraceptive coverage face the same choice.
You might respond that contraception is accessible in lots of other ways. Unfortunately, that&#8217;s not true. Women&#8217;s health clinics provide vital medical services, but as the Guttmacher Institute has documented, clinics are unable to meet the crushing demand for these services. Clinics are closing and women are being forced to go without. How can Congress consider the Fortenberry, Rubio, and Blunt legislation that would allow even more employers and institutions to refuse contraceptive coverage and then respond that the non-profit clinics should step up to take care of the resulting medical crisis, particularly when so many legislators are attempting to defund those very same clinics?
These denials of contraceptive coverage impact real people. In the worst cases, women who need this medication for other medical reasons suffer dire consequences. A friend of mine, for example, has polycystic ovarian syndrome and has to take prescription birth control to stop cysts from growing on her ovaries. Her prescription is technically covered by Georgetown insurance because it&#8217;s not intended to prevent pregnancy. Under many religious institutions&#8217; insurance plans, it wouldn&#8217;t be, and under Senator Blunt&#8217;s amendment, Senator Rubio&#8217;s bill, or Representative Fortenberry&#8217;s bill, there&#8217;s no requirement that an exception be made for such medical needs. When they do exist, these exceptions don&#8217;t accomplish their well-intended goals because when you let university administrators or other employers, rather than women and their doctors, dictate whose medical needs are legitimate and whose aren&#8217;t, a woman&#8217;s health takes a back seat to a bureaucracy focused on policing her body.
In sixty-five percent of cases, our female students were interrogated by insurance representatives and university medical staff about why they needed these prescriptions and whether they were lying about their symptoms. For my friend, and 20% of women in her situation, she never got the insurance company to cover her prescription, despite verification of her illness from her doctor. Her claim was denied repeatedly on the assumption that she really wanted the birth control to prevent pregnancy. She&#8217;s gay, so clearly polycystic ovarian syndrome was a much more urgent concern than accidental pregnancy. After months of paying over $100 out of pocket, she just couldn&#8217;t afford her medication anymore and had to stop taking it. I learned about all of this when I walked out of a test and got a message from her that in the middle of her final exam period she&#8217;d been in the emergency room all night in excruciating pain. She wrote, &#8216;It was so painful, I woke up thinking I&#8217;d been shot.&#8217; Without her taking the birth control, a massive cyst the size of a tennis ball had grown on her ovary. She had to have surgery to remove her entire ovary. On the morning I was originally scheduled to give this testimony, she sat in a doctor&#8217;s office. Since last year&#8217;s surgery, she&#8217;s been experiencing night sweats, weight gain, and other symptoms of early menopause as a result of the removal of her ovary. She&#8217;s 32 years old. As she put it: &#8216;If my body indeed does enter early menopause, no fertility specialist in the world will be able to help me have my own children. I will have no chance at giving my mother her desperately desired grandbabies, simply because the insurance policy that I paid for totally unsubsidized by my school wouldn&#8217;t cover my prescription for birth control when I needed it.&#8217; Now, in addition to potentially facing the health complications that come with having menopause at an early age&#8212; increased risk of cancer, heart disease, and osteoporosis, she may never be able to conceive a child.
Perhaps you think my friend&#8217;s tragic story is rare. It&#8217;s not. One woman told us doctors believe she has endometriosis, but it can&#8217;t be proven without surgery, so the insurance hasn&#8217;t been willing to cover her medication. Recently, another friend of mine told me that she also has polycystic ovarian syndrome. She&#8217;s struggling to pay for her medication and is terrified to not have access to it. Due to the barriers erected by Georgetown&#8217;s policy, she hasn&#8217;t been reimbursed for her medication since last August. I sincerely pray that we don&#8217;t have to wait until she loses an ovary or is diagnosed with cancer before her needs and the needs of all of these women are taken seriously.

This is the message that not requiring coverage of contraception sends. A woman&#8217;s reproductive healthcare isn&#8217;t a necessity, isn&#8217;t a priority. One student told us that she knew birth control wasn&#8217;t covered, and she assumed that&#8217;s how Georgetown&#8217;s insurance handled all of women&#8217;s sexual healthcare, so when she was raped, she didn&#8217;t go to the doctor even to be examined or tested for sexually transmitted infections because she thought insurance wasn&#8217;t going to cover something like that, something that was related to a woman&#8217;s reproductive health. As one student put it, &#8216;this policy communicates to female students that our school doesn&#8217;t understand our needs.&#8217; These are not feelings that male fellow students experience. And they&#8217;re not burdens that male students must shoulder.
In the media lately, conservative Catholic organizations have been asking: what did we expect when we enrolled at a Catholic school? We can only answer that we expected women to be treated equally, to not have our school create untenable burdens that impede our academic success. We expected that our schools would live up to the Jesuit creed of cura personalis, to care for the whole person, by meeting all of our medical needs. We expected that when we told our universities of the problems this policy created for students, they would help us. We expected that when 94% of students opposed the policy, the university would respect our choices regarding insurance students pay for completely unsubsidized by the university. We did not expect that women would be told in the national media that if we wanted comprehensive insurance that met our needs, not just those of men, we should have gone to school elsewhere, even if that meant a less prestigious university. We refuse to pick between a quality education and our health, and we resent that, in the 21st century, anyone thinks it&#8217;s acceptable to ask us to make this choice simply because we are women.
Many of the women whose stories I&#8217;ve shared are Catholic women, so ours is not a war against the church. It is a struggle for access to the healthcare we need. The President of the Association of Jesuit Colleges has shared that Jesuit colleges and universities appreciate the modification to the rule announced last week. Religious concerns are addressed and women get the healthcare they need. That is something we can all agree on. Thank you.
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That's her entire testimony. I don't know what you're reading, ballen, but you're wrong.

Show me where she mentions her own situation once.