Excuse me? I was answering your post you were the one who mentioned bull fighting!
You are being ridiculous when you talk about boxing gorillas.
I see two issues here:
One: The bull point, as stated is a tertiary point.
Two: Bull fighting, as in the action of fighting a bull, not "bull fighting" the sport. I dont know why you defaulted to the sport, when the man is japanese, and bull running has nothing to do with this.
I dont recall addressing you here, until the reples. My previous quote of yours, has nothing to do with this(on the nature of gorrilas). I quoted Xue to illistrate the point of the feat of strength boxing a gorrila would have, it obviously is partly hyperbole, then i am replying to your reply to my statements.
Which would have answered your first question "why would you box an animal?". I eleborated to explain that point in the first reply.
This is again of amusmenet how you are focusing on the tertiary point, i only replied to that to illistrate the point there isnt a hive mind or god of animal sports and you must do this that and the other to fight a bull, hunt a fox etc. By the literal definition if you fight a bull you are bull fighting, if you hunt a fox you are fox hunting, to once again bring examples. To again, explain and illistrate my point further.
Now your welcome to your moral opinion of it, but so is everyone else.
Anyway, im not going to waste anymore of my time as you are as usual acting like a petulant child and it was a mistake to even engage with you.
Also, this thread is a clusterfuck and probbly should be closed.
PS, just because its going to annoy the **** out of me: I am not a Zoologist, NEITHER are you. I do not "need" to read any of your book reccomendations on Gorrilas, nor does reading the books make you a Zoologist, or make you a expert on Gorrilas.(nor does it have any bearing on any other animal) What i have, is observations(including sources i have read) of social fighting being present in most if not all animals, to use a loosly defined term and through the lense of a human. It is also 100% pointless to read up or study wildlife thats not native to your area, or present in your area. Unless it becomes a hobby or proffession anyway. Even in the source i skimmed, social fighting is present in gorrilas.
there is absolutely no reason to make the "are you a X" statement unless you are trying to poison the well or bring a chracter attack to bear, which you were.
Also, this point is equally annoying me. YES, animals die in social fighting and kill each other in it. We do it all the time, social fighting just means for social gain, in the literal meaning as applied to animals, Social fighting is fighting over social positions, preadtory is killing for food. Its not "for fun", its for social position. although for sake of argument im not including play fighting as social fighting, and the lines are blurred at times.
I skimmed wiki before i made the statement on the gorillas, and One of the statements i want to highlight:
"The silverback is the centre of the troop's attention, making all the decisions, mediating conflicts, determining the movements of the group, leading the others to feeding sites, and taking responsibility for the safety and well-being of the troop. Younger males subordinate to the silverback, known as blackbacks, may serve as backup protection. Blackbacks are aged between 8 and 12 years"
Robbins MM. (2001) "Variation in the social system of mountain gorillas: the male perspective". In: Robbins MM, Sicotte P, Stewart KJ, editors.
Mountain Gorillas: Three Decades of Research at Karisoke. Cambridge (England): Cambridge Univ Pr. pp. 29ā58.
The fact there is a caste system means competition over spots will exist, the statement says "thre are internnal conflcits" so social fighting. Unless you cite me something diffrent, its settled. And i mean cite. I didnt think id need to back up a obvious majorty rule like this with any evidence.
If we are going to argue over this further, make a new thread.
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