You know why there's a feeling out process between equally trained fighters, right? Because if you go in crazy like in UFC 1, then you'll *usually* get ****ed up real quick.
--You should realize that this thread was started as a "spin off" of a thread in the Wing Chun forum titled "Sparring vs. Self Defense" where we discussed whether sparring ability should be considered the "litmus" test of fighting ability in reference to more traditional styles that have a self defense focus. In these styles most everything is centered around responding to a committed attack, and then continuing until the opponent if finished if possible.
1. You should learn how to quote correctly, it's not even that difficult, so that people whom you're responding directly to, get an alert from the forum.
2. I don't need to realize anything from any other thread from some other forum that I don't even care about, of which one of them is the Wang Chun forum....in order to respond to a separate thread and its contents. Otherwise, I'd have to go around reading every freakin' posts.
3. You don't think MMA fighters are not training to continue an attack until someone is knocked the **** out, especially when MILLIONS of DOLLARS can be on the line, including possibly $100,000,000 in future earnings, worldwide glory, etc.?
This is a different orientation than "squaring off" with an opponent where you ARE going to go thru a "feeling out" process, give and take uncommitted attacks, etc.
You still don't understand why trained & experienced fighters often square off w/feeling out process, even after my posting like 5 videos proving why it's a smart thing to do.
So many of these more traditional arts with a "self defense" emphasis don't do well when they try to spar for this reason.
Well they're usually just terrible at fighting and their training only affords them to do well or beat untrained bums on the streets. But go up against trained fighters, they usually get wrecked. Actually, many will probably get wrecked by untrained, street bums who've had street fights....because most of these "self defense" emphasis are usually Larping only, with pretend strikes.
Or, when sparring they revert to some form of kickboxing and look very little like the art they have been training.
More like, sloppy kickboxing...and that's because real fighting by most Martial Artists, translates to Kickboxing = why those of us who've realized this, train straight Kickboxing/MT to fight and dump most to all of the kata time wasting.
---That was not the implication at all. The "thought experiment" that MetalBoar proposed was directly related to what I just said above.....what if an MMA fighter had to respond to an surprise fully committed attack and finish it within a minute (as you might in a self defense situation)? Would it look different?
What, like a sucker-punch? Who do you think would be better at addressing punches thrown at their face at full speed & power, with full intentions of knocking their target the **** out? And MMA fighter who actually is getting hit for real as apart of average training, up to full power for KO's.....or someone who only trains with pretend strikes that never land at full power into the faces of their sparring partners and vice versa?
You guys never really fought anyone good,
---There really is no need to be such a dick about things in a discussion. Even if it is half-joking.
No, this part I'm dead serious. You're probably terrible at fighting and flinches like a spaz. Just to be clear, I'm definitely, not joking.
But here are some street fights where the trained fighters danced around.
---And this is still a "face off" or "sparring" situation. Just on the street instead of in the ring. Not really the equivalent of a self defense situation.
Basically, you're a self-defense Larper who makes up fantasy scenarios to justify what you do.
