Martial Arts and the Law

[Bruno@MT]

Women factor into the picture. because they tend to expect you to protect them and to be the man.
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Wow...

 

[Xue Sheng]

I'm even citing as to where many of these issues came about. It's really not that hard to understand at all. It's so simple that even a kindergartner could see it.

No I do not believe they could

And now a word of advice

"Stop"

 

[grydth]

Lawmakers in the United States generally believe that the martial arts are bad and that anyone who is associated with the martial arts is nothing but a menace to society and that they should be locked up. That is and has been their position on the subject for a long time as they tend to believe what they see in the movies and what Hollywood says about the martial arts and anyone associated with the martial arts.

Lawmakers like most people tend to believe in the stereotypes and they generally don't want to hear anything else.

If this is accurate, you have answered your own question, sir.

Individuals of this ilk are unfit for office and have no business infringing our freedom.

 

[rdonovan1]

None of the claims that people have made since MJS's post are substiated in fact at all. They are the same silly claims that my father and I heard from a legal clerk several years ago when me and my father were discussing a traffic ticket that I had gotten in the State of California.

The claims that guy made which were unsubstantiated and ridiculus by both me, my father, and other attorney's that I have talked was that just because I have a commercial CDL license then I should know all the laws that were ever made and that the Patriot Act applied to my situation.

He proved his ignorance right there because everyone that knows anything about the law knows that even attorney's and judges can't know all of the laws that are made. The only thing that he accomplished was to make a fool out of himself and I'm seeing the same thing here by people who claim to know the martial arts.

Unlike that case the Patriot Act does seem to apply in the legal case that I am currently dealing with because the company that I am dealing with is an Internet company and they are regulated by the U.S. Department of Treasury.

There is even a list that they are supposed to check that the Treasury department produces. The list is called the SDN list and it's purpose is to screen out potential terrorists and whether the company likes it or not they are required by Federal law to check that list before they send or receive any money through their business. Failure to do so on their part is a violation of Federal law and both criminal and civil penalties can be brought against the company for failure to check that list and to follow what the law says they are supposed to do. Thre is even a clause in the Patriot Act that refers to the type of business that they are engaged in so they can't say that they didn't know.

That issue is still pending with the with me and the courts at this time.

That however does not negate my attempts to change myself for the better. It's merely slowed things down quite a bit because it's effected my financial and self defense situation.

I've been trying to get my father to understand as to where the martial arts comes in with me, but so far he has been applying the same concept that MJS mentioned about lawmakers not knowning a thing about the martial arts and then assuming that they do.

Maybe I have not done a good job presenting things to my father so that he really understands things better and if so then that is my fault and I take full responsibility for that. I however don't believe that is all of it though because my father tends to have a problem with denial.

Because he lives in a nice neigborhood and has never really experienced crime at all he seems to think that everyone is honest and that there is no such thing as crime. That is a completely foolish thought because it has been proven by the criminal justice system time and time again.

Unlike my father I have seen and I have met real gangsters and criminals and because of all the time that I spent out on the road as a truck driver and all the online scams that I have come across in the past I know that there are gangs like The Bloods, crips, GKB gang, Hell's Angels, and even the mafia.

Just a few years ago I ran across one girl that was my next door neighbor who had a history of DUI's and that was heavy into crack because of an ex biker boyfriend that she had. No one really knows as to where she got her money to buy the crack because she was unemployed, but it is suspected that despite her claims that she was not interested in relationsips or sex that she was prostituting herself out just so that she could get money to buy crack. We tried to help her to get off the stuff, but because of what her boyfriend did to her she was really messed up. Rumor has it that she has since turned herself around and is now back to the the way that she was before she got hooked up with this guy.

She is not the only one that I have known like that as I have met others like that before and in the neighborhood that I currently live in it is not uncommon to see the police and since I've lived here there has been several murders one ended with the police the shooting the suspect because he was brandishing a gun in their presence and despite the orders of the police to put his gun down the suspect refused to do so and as a result the police had no choice but to open fire and shoot the guy.

There have been other incidents within the city where people have become very violent. One case involved a woman who worked at Denny's and who was shot by a gang when they tried to rob the Denny's. That woman was unarmed and did nothing to deserve being shot and killed by the gunmen.

There has also been a case that happened right across the courtyard from me in which a woman who claimed a man made sexual advances towards her killed the man with a knife. Further interviews with her by the police after the incident revealed that she had psychological problems and that she was also known to use drugs. That kind of situation could have been handled a lot better by her even if she was being sexually harrassed. The only legitimate reason for her killing the man would have been if he had a weapon but unfortunately there was no weapon being used by him at all.

She has subsequently been ordered to undergo pyschological evaluation. I don't know if she was committed to a psychiatric hospital or if she was declared fit to stand trial as I have not heard anything more about that case since then.

There was also and incident that occured at the aparment complex involving another shooting that I did not really find out about until later from a few neighbors and in which the police were involved in. Apparently the issue was so severe that the when I came home from work that night I was not allowed to enter my apartment without a police escort.

There have also been attempts by people to steal my car in my neighborhood which has increased my overall awarenes and concern and I have also been to places right here in the United States which are known for gang activity. One place is Gary, Indiana. It's considered to be the murder capitol of the world and it is so dangerous there that even the police are afraid to go into the city at night.

This is just the tip of the iceberg as there are a lot of other things that I have either experienced or studied that has made me very skeptical and untrusting of most people.

One incident occured at a truck stop in Iowa. I did not take part in it but I heard it on the CB radio. It involved a couple of truck drivers who were both trying to one up each other. It got so bad that at one point one of the drivers told the other driver that he was a black belt and and ex special forces and that he was going to go over to the other guys truck and kick the guy's ***.

I've even experienced one incident that occured a long time ago while I was out with my friends and that involved some women that we were talking to by a lake at night. It was kind of cold out that night and one of the girls said that she was cold. I tried to be gentlemanly about it and I allowed her to wear my jacket for a little while. When it came time to leave however I had difficulty getting the jacket back from her.

Because of the incidents that have occured in the neighborhood that I live in and the city itself I have inquired with the Guardian Angels about the possibility of starting a Guardian Angels chapter in the city in which I live because there currently is no chapter in this area.

I'm not even mentioning any of the online stuff that I have experienced nor have I mentioned a thing about other things that I have learned as of yet that have really increased my overall awareness and has made very attuned to the whole idea of combat.

Simple common sense says here that it is reasonable to be concerned about your physical safety when you experience stuff like that and no psychologist is going to say otherwise because even they know that is a more than reasonable reaction. Psychology says that it is human nature as that is one of the basic instincts that all humans share in common.

 

[rdonovan1]

If this is accurate, you have answered your own question, sir.

Individuals of this ilk are unfit for office and have no business infringing our freedom.

I agree with you grydth. You are right about that. The only problem is convincing them of that. That's often easier said than done.

Perhaps if they were to do a better job in office and if they were to really pay attention and deal with the real issues instead of playing the blame game then maybe we would see some real improvement in our country.

Maybe I'm a bit prejudiced, but I personally am not convinced that they are going to do that willingly or even anytime soon as it seems like they are more interested in money and their own self interests than they really are in doing things like improving the educational systems or the healthcare systems or even in combating crime.

I'm of the opinion that serious reform is needed and that the only way that is going to happen is if the American people make it happen. For years we've all heard their lies about what they are and aren't going to do once they are in office, but more often than not they never really seem to do anything that is even remotely constructive once they do get into office. Seems like the rich just keep getting richer, while the poor keep getting poorer.

 

[The Last Legionary]

1- Your relationship with your father has nothing to do with the subject "Martial Arts and the Law".
2- Your inability to get laid also has nothing to do with that subject.
3- All of your little stories have little to nothing to do with the subject.
4- You claim not to be a troll, yet your behavior fits the pattern of several subspecies.
5- I think the statements of your being delusional are spot on.
6- I also think you are here seeking validation and attention.
7- You live in a fantasy world. The real world is nothing like what you write. I know. I live there.

On martial arts related laws:
1- You do not have to "register your hands". Urban legend.
2- Is is not illegal to defend yourself. Some states even encourage it. Some do insist on retreat. Most will prosecute if you pursue or if you escalate.
3- While several lawmakers have proposed legislation to regulate, no such bill has passed to date.
4- If you know a specific location where anti-martial arts laws exist, please cite the location and the specific law.
5- Other than that, stop posting all these meaningless tangents. Your legal problems, your father, your delusions of women, none of it applies here.


PS You are one ****ed up person, in serious need of therapy. Based on your posts here it is no wonder you have so much turmoil in your life. You bring it on yourself. There is no vast conspiracy. You are a **** magnet and you are supercharged. The only person who can fix that is you. You however won't. So I predict:

 

[rdonovan1]

1- Your relationship with your father has nothing to do with the subject "Martial Arts and the Law".
2- Your inability to get laid also has nothing to do with that subject.
3- All of your little stories have little to nothing to do with the subject.
4- You claim not to be a troll, yet your behavior fits the pattern of several subspecies.
5- I think the statements of your being delusional are spot on.
6- I also think you are here seeking validation and attention.
7- You live in a fantasy world. The real world is nothing like what you write. I know. I live there.

On martial arts related laws:
1- You do not have to "register your hands". Urban legend.
2- Is is not illegal to defend yourself. Some states even encourage it. Some do insist on retreat. Most will prosecute if you pursue or if you escalate.
3- While several lawmakers have proposed legislation to regulate, no such bill has passed to date.
4- If you know a specific location where anti-martial arts laws exist, please cite the location and the specific law.
5- Other than that, stop posting all these meaningless tangents. Your legal problems, your father, your delusions of women, none of it applies here.


PS You are one ****ed up person, in serious need of therapy. Based on your posts here it is no wonder you have so much turmoil in your life. You bring it on yourself. There is no vast conspiracy. You are a **** magnet and you are supercharged. The only person who can fix that is you. You however won't. So I predict:

You're opinion is duly noted but it has nothing to do with reality and if you were to actually pay attention the you would soon discover that.

My father and the martial arts and the law has everything to do with it because my father is an attorney. Can you say that you are an attorney? Unless you can prove that you are an attorney or a police officer that lives in the Albuquerque area then you have no valid claim.

Much of what I am saying also has to do with the kind of work that I did prior to December of 2007. It is Federally regulated and the law can and does apply as it is regulated by the Federal Department of Transportation and it is enforced by the State Patrol in every single state and it does effect both the drivers and the companies themselves that deal with that industry as they are legally obligated to abide by the same laws that I was required to abide by.

My father is aware of that and he's also come face to face with it during an unemployment hearing in which he was a part of several years and that ended with the judge getting so angry with the lawyers for the company that I was fighting at the time that the judge actually hung up the phone on the company lawyer because the company lawyer did nothing but to show complete and utter contempt for the judge.

Because of the company's actions and because of their unproven allegations the judge ruled in my favor because she saw no evidence to support any of the allegations that the company made. One of the allegations that they made that the judge thought was completely absurd related to an old employee manual that resided only on the company's computers that neither me, the judge or even my father had access to.

That kind of thinking is just plain crazy because everyone who knows anything about computers knows that unless you are given access to something or it is other wise made publicallly available then there is no way that anyone can know as to what is on any computer unless you are a hacker and willing to violate Federal and State computer intrusion laws.

The martial arts certainly do apply because of things that I have seen and experienced and because of the type of relationship that I have had with my father most of my life. It's not that hard to figure out at all.

 

[The Last Legionary]

You're opinion is duly noted but it has nothing to do with reality and if you were to actually pay attention the you would soon discover that.

Paying attention to your mind bending delusional wanderings requires a level of twisting that would knot a yogi for a coons age.

My father and the martial arts and the law has everything to do with it because my father is an attorney. Can you say that you are an attorney? Unless you can prove that you are an attorney or a police officer that lives in the Albuquerque area then you have no valid claim.

There we have it. Mr. Insanity here only wants local cops and sharks to reply to his rambling.

Much of what I am saying also has to do with the kind of work that I did prior to December of 2007. It is Federally regulated and the law can and does apply as it is regulated by the Federal Department of Transportation and it is enforced by the State Patrol in every single state and it does effect both the drivers and the companies themselves that deal with that industry as they are legally obligated to abide by the same laws that I was required to abide by.

Has nothing to do with laws concerning martial arts.

My father is aware of that and he's also come face to face with it during an unemployment hearing in which he was a part of several years and that ended with the judge getting so angry with the lawyers for the company that I was fighting at the time that the judge actually hung up the phone on the company lawyer because the company lawyer did nothing but to show complete and utter contempt for the judge.

Because of the company's actions and because of their unproven allegations the judge ruled in my favor because she saw no evidence to support any of the allegations that the company made. One of the allegations that they made that the judge thought was completely absurd related to an old employee manual that resided only on the company's computers that neither me, the judge or even my father had access to.

That kind of thinking is just plain crazy because everyone who knows anything about computers knows that unless you are given access to something or it is other wise made publicallly available then there is no way that anyone can know as to what is on any computer unless you are a hacker and willing to violate Federal and State computer intrusion laws.

Has nothing to do with laws concerning martial arts.

The martial arts certainly do apply because of things that I have seen and experienced and because of the type of relationship that I have had with my father most of my life. It's not that hard to figure out at all.

3- While several lawmakers have proposed legislation to regulate, no such bill has passed to date.
4- If you know a specific location where anti-martial arts laws exist, please cite the location and the specific law.

 

[Bob Hubbard]

This is the original post.

I'm just wondering as to how many people here believe that congress should ban the martial arts completely.

I'm sure that you've all heard the stories about the martial arts and I'm sure that you all know the general perception by lawmakers and the government of the martial arts and anyone that has anything to do with it at all. In the eyes of the lawmakers the martial arts and anyone who has anything to do with it should be banned because in their opinion the martial arts are dangerous and anyone that chooses to associate with the martial arts is just as dangerous and bad as Al Capone or Ted Bundy.

Should in your opinion the government ban the martial arts and set forth laws making it a crime or should it be promoted as a character builder.

Congress won't, and any attempt would most likely die in committee if it gets past the "Hey I have an idea so people think I do real work" stage.

Where ever you get your information, I question it's veracity. Especially in light of just how many Congressmen and even our current CiC hold black belts or train.

The government should stay out of it.

Most of the rest of what's been posted in this thread is drivel. That's the topic as you defined it. Stay on it. Leave your relationship problems, personal problems, and legal problems out of it. It's not relevant, no matter how much you think it is. There are 2 questions, very specifically focused, and a paragraph of opinion.

 

[jks9199]

Congratulations.

Thread lock Number 2.

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