Kong Soo Do

[miguksaram]

I like it! Korean Kempo!

Korean Kempo....Japanese Ch'uan fa....Chinese Kwon bup....

 

[Kong Soo Do]

Korean Kempo....Japanese Ch'uan fa....Chinese Kwon bup....

I'm telling you...Bait, Tackle and Kung Fu Emporium! Now that sings

 

[Daniel Sullivan]

That's what I said. In Korea, the term Kong Soo Do is not an all encompassing generic term, but a specific term for a specific kind of art, which is focused on competition.

They even hold membership in the Olympic Karate movement, so they are internationally recognized.

http://www.wkf.net/index.php?option=...pper&Itemid=54

Regarding genericness or a lack thereof, the fact that one group in Korea uses the term does not make it any less generic, especially since they are itentifying themselves with karate, which is generic. However you want to pronounce it, kongsudo and karatedo are the same term: 空手道.

Given the myriad of ryu that make up karate, a Korean pronunciation of the same kanji doesn't make it anymore specific.

Perhaps adding a prefix to differentiate one from the other (as with Kukki Taekwondo, Chang Hon Taekwondo, Songahm Taekwondo or as with Isshin Ryu Karate, Shotokan Karate, Goju Ryu Karate, etc.) might be a good idea (could be as simple as _______kwan Kong Soo Do), but otherwise, lineage of the OP not withstanding, the term itself is certainly generic.

Daniel

 

[Kong Soo Do]

Perhaps adding a prefix to differentiate one from the other (as with Kukki Taekwondo, Chang Hon Taekwondo, Songahm Taekwondo or as with Isshin Ryu Karate, Shotokan Karate, Goju Ryu Karate, etc.) might be a good idea (could be as simple as _______kwan Kong Soo Do), but otherwise, lineage of the OP not withstanding, the term itself is certainly generic.
Daniel

We came to the same conclusion last night as we discussed this topic. So we started a simple thread just to discuss the naming of the Kwans within or under the IKSDA banner.http://excoboard.com/martialwarrior/148245/1799965

 

[Rumy73]

Ok, started a new thread entitled "Kong Soo Do". If you have any factual responses to my posts in other topics regarding this subject, please place it here.

What "bugs" me is people who put forth erroneous facts out in the public. I spent a lot of time doing historical research, real research, and I guess on some level it is offensive to see people who have not done as much work put out erroneous opinions as facts.




The only person who seems a bit bent out of shape is you. You are the one getting all mad, and have turned to attacking me instead of responding to my facts with facts of your own.

As for nothing from the web, I saw your webpage. Your statement is incorrect. I even see stuff that I posted on the web on your webpage. There is also information posted by friends of mine on the web on your webpage. I know this because we were the ones who initially posted the information on the web.




Which various older books did you consult on Taekwondo and Hapkido? I have a pretty large book collection, chances are that I have all the books you are talking about above. But I am just interested in the korean books. Did you happen to reference any of GM LEE Kyo Yun's books? He has wrote several over the years.




Any from Korea?




I'm not pouting, although you seem to be getting more and more upset the more I introduce facts to the discussion. Instead of attempting to attack me personally, why not respond to the facts I have presented with facts of your own? That way, perhaps the discussion can lead to a meaningful place.

It is in poor taste and a lack of decorum to start a post specifically about another member. We can agree to disagree. Further, sometimes there isn't a right answer; instead there are only perspectives.

Peace.

 

[Daniel Sullivan]

We came to the same conclusion last night as we discussed this topic. So we started a simple thread just to discuss the naming of the Kwans within or under the IKSDA banner.http://excoboard.com/martialwarrior/148245/1799965

Is your school part of the IKSDA? I was under the impression that it is not, but I may have missed that part of the discussion, given that it spans multiple threads.

Daniel

 

[puunui]

It is in poor taste and a lack of decorum to start a post specifically about another member. .

It wasn't about a particular member. It was about the art and name Kong Soo Do, which is still being used in Korea.

 

[puunui]

Regarding genericness or a lack thereof, the fact that one group in Korea uses the term does not make it any less generic, especially since they are itentifying themselves with karate, which is generic.

The group in Korea is identifying itself with the Olympic Karate movement. It is a specific thing, not generic, in much the same way that USAT and WTF identify specifically with competition Taekwondo. So in that sense, in Korea, the use of the term Kong Soo Do is specific, and not generic, even though from your perspective, looking at the character themselves and not at its usage in Korea, it may be generic.

By the way, there is also at least one other association in Korea that actually does use the term "Karate" in its name, as opposed to kong soo do or tang soo do. Perhaps your argument or position would better fit what that group is doing, since they are actually using the name Karate, even though it is headquartered in Korea.

I also have books in the Korean language entitled "Aikido" (written in hangul). Japanese and Chinese terminology is used in Korea for the martial arts.

 

[Kong Soo Do]

Is your school part of the IKSDA? I was under the impression that it is not, but I may have missed that part of the discussion, given that it spans multiple threads.

Daniel

Yes sir, we are a member.

 

[miguksaram]

I'm telling you...Bait, Tackle and Kung Fu Emporium! Now that sings

Actually I was talking to a friend of mine who is a sushi chef and we toyed with the idea of a Sushi & Karate...Chef special comes with 2 sashimi pieces, 1 California roll, and 2 free lessons.

 

[Carol]

Actually I was talking to a friend of mine who is a sushi chef and we toyed with the idea of a Sushi & Karate...Chef special comes with 2 sashimi pieces, 1 California roll, and 2 free lessons.

*maps distance to Aurora, IL*

SOLD

 

[andyjeffries]

I also have books in the Korean language entitled "Aikido" (written in hangul). Japanese and Chinese terminology is used in Korea for the martial arts.

Out of interest, how do they write Aikido in hangul? There doesn't seem a direct translation for the "Ai" sound.

Do Koreans consider Yudo to be a Korean version of Judo then? I understood that to just be a reading out of the same hanja characters in Korean? If they use Japanese terms I wonder why they wouldn't just call it Judo (as they have hangul to be able to write that).

 

[Daniel Sullivan]

Out of interest, how do they write Aikido in hangul? There doesn't seem a direct translation for the "Ai" sound.

I suspect that they render it 아기도.

Do Koreans consider Yudo to be a Korean version of Judo then? I understood that to just be a reading out of the same hanja characters in Korean? If they use Japanese terms I wonder why they wouldn't just call it Judo (as they have hangul to be able to write that).

They do and it is. Like kumdo and kendo, and while the term kumdo is also applied to non-kendo sword arts, most of the time it is romanized as gumdo or geomdo when discussed in English even though in hangeul, both are spelled the same.

The only reasons for spelling karate or aikido phonetically (the way we do) are either that there are already established arts and/or groups using the Korean readings of the hanja or that the school in question is teaching a non-Korean art and is using the language and terminology of the nation of origin, as is done with Asian arts in the US.

Daniel

 

[mastercole]

Actually I was talking to a friend of mine who is a sushi chef and we toyed with the idea of a Sushi & Karate...Chef special comes with 2 sashimi pieces, 1 California roll, and 2 free lessons.

I like it!

 

[mastercole]

Out of interest, how do they write Aikido in hangul? There doesn't seem a direct translation for the "Ai" sound.

Do Koreans consider Yudo to be a Korean version of Judo then? I understood that to just be a reading out of the same hanja characters in Korean? If they use Japanese terms I wonder why they wouldn't just call it Judo (as they have hangul to be able to write that).

Korean, Japanese and Chinese mostly read the same Hanja, they just pronounce it differently.

A Korean who reads Hanja would say "Hapkido" when they read 合氣道, a Japanese reader would say "Aikido" for the same characters.

If you are asking if Korean's write out the sound "Ai Ki Do" in Korean Hangul, I don't know, I never saw it that way, but I have not seen much on Hapkido either.

 

[puunui]

I suspect that they render it 아기도.

Close. They add one more character, the second one, which looks like the first above except without the short horizontal bar in the middle of the vertical bar. A I Ki Do.

 

[andyjeffries]

Close. They add one more character, the second one, which looks like the first above except without the short horizontal bar in the middle of the vertical bar. A I Ki Do.

Ah OK, that's interesting. So 아이기도.

 

[puunui]

Ah OK, that's interesting. So 아이기도.

I think so. The third character might be the K type instead of the G type, with an extra horizontal line. Japanese pronunciation would be more k than g, vice versa for Korean pronunciation. So the hangul might reflect that. I need to go check.

 

[SahBumNimRush]

Actually I was talking to a friend of mine who is a sushi chef and we toyed with the idea of a Sushi & Karate...Chef special comes with 2 sashimi pieces, 1 California roll, and 2 free lessons.

It had better be some great sushi.. . I frequented a place called swordfish when I lived in IL, a good friend of mine lived in North Aurora, and it was his favorite Sushi place.

That said, GREAT IDEA!

 

[SahBumNimRush]

I don't have much to add, but I would like to say this has been one of more informative thread discussions I've read in the KMA forum in a while!