Omar B
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Yup, that's pretty hefty on prison time that one.
Kidnapping after the Earthquake
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Rightly so.
Even if they were doing it with good intentions. When some of the children said that they have parents and were not orphans, a lot of bells should have started ringing. Which they ignored..
No mercy for kidnappers here. How altruistic there motives might have been.
Even if they were doing it with good intentions. When some of the children said that they have parents and were not orphans, a lot of bells should have started ringing. Which they ignored..
No mercy for kidnappers here. How altruistic there motives might have been.
blindsage
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Well a couple of them have their children with them in a prison in Haiti.....soooo, not that good?
Ignorance, naivete, and stupidity are not considered good defenses here, why should they be there? Maybe they had what they considered good intentions, they claim they had permission of the children's pastor, they claim they had permission from the parents of those children who have them, they claim they had permission of the government of the DR. What's missing from that equation? If you took a bunch of orphaned children, and a few children with their parents permission and the permission of the Mexican government, could 10 white people just walk out of the U.S. with 33 black children? And that's just a hypothetical if everything they say is true. There have been other people who work with children in Haiti who have come forward and said what these people did was not in line with well established protocols for this kind of thing, and one who says she spoke with the head of that group a few days before they left and told her they were going about it wrong and if they persisted they could end up in a Haitian jail. I don't have a lot of sympathy for these people.
Ignorance, naivete, and stupidity are not considered good defenses here, why should they be there? Maybe they had what they considered good intentions, they claim they had permission of the children's pastor, they claim they had permission from the parents of those children who have them, they claim they had permission of the government of the DR. What's missing from that equation? If you took a bunch of orphaned children, and a few children with their parents permission and the permission of the Mexican government, could 10 white people just walk out of the U.S. with 33 black children? And that's just a hypothetical if everything they say is true. There have been other people who work with children in Haiti who have come forward and said what these people did was not in line with well established protocols for this kind of thing, and one who says she spoke with the head of that group a few days before they left and told her they were going about it wrong and if they persisted they could end up in a Haitian jail. I don't have a lot of sympathy for these people.
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I just wonder, if the parents of those children knew those americans would take the kids to get some help/food/etc. if they handed them the kids. In some cases that may well be, a starving family in a ruined country, only hope is to send their children away...
Did anyone in that group speak the native language and did they understand that the kids were telling them they still had family and wanted to stay? It'd be pretty awful if this happened and they didn't know that the kids had parents... it's possible, we won't know all the details for a while.
Did anyone in that group speak the native language and did they understand that the kids were telling them they still had family and wanted to stay? It'd be pretty awful if this happened and they didn't know that the kids had parents... it's possible, we won't know all the details for a while.
Omar B
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No, CNN said non of them spoke French, Creole or even hired a translator. Starts sounding like they just casted a net, or that scene in Old School before the frat hazing when they kidnapped them in a van. Heck, they did drive around in one of those "sex offender" vans.
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Just saw a little clip on CNN so I had to come back and add this. They interviewed one of the kidnappers through the bars of her prison cell with her daughter in the cell too! In her mind she's completely in the right because she was "sent by god." Guess muslim suicide bombers are right too?
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Just saw a little clip on CNN so I had to come back and add this. They interviewed one of the kidnappers through the bars of her prison cell with her daughter in the cell too! In her mind she's completely in the right because she was "sent by god." Guess muslim suicide bombers are right too?
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More than likely, people usually manage to hide their true self.
A friend of mine shook hands with rev Jim Jones before the mass suicide. He told me that the freaky thing was that he really seemed like a warm, friendly man, even though at the time his plan was already in motion.
And recently a man was arrested in Belgium. He was a teacher, generally liked, friendly guy... but he was also a brutal serial killer and serial rapist.
Blade96
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they can't hide it forever though. as these stories show.
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Can anyone point me to a video interview with these boobs? I've heard about it, but all I can find are tiny sound bites. I'd love to see it (the interview that is, not boobs. Although that would be nice too.)
Omar B
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I would point you to CNN's web site (do they post videos anyways?). I usually catch this stuff over coffee in the morning.
New article! http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/cb_haiti_americans_detained
Each was charged with one count of kidnapping, which carries a sentence of five to 15 years in prison, and one of criminal association, punishable by three to nine years. Coq said the case would be assigned a judge and a verdict could take three months.
It's unlikely the Americans could be tried back home, according to Christopher J. Schmidt, an expert on international child kidnapping law in St. Louis, Mo. U.S. statutes may not even apply, he said, since the children never crossed an international border.
"We expect God's will will be done. And we will be released. And we're looking forward to what God is going to do," she told APTN before learning they would be charged.
Anyone else think that people would react a lot worse if these were missionaries from another religion doing the same exact thing? Can you imagine Muslims, Hindus or pretty much any other religion and the amount of outright outrage that would be generated.
New article! http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/cb_haiti_americans_detained
Each was charged with one count of kidnapping, which carries a sentence of five to 15 years in prison, and one of criminal association, punishable by three to nine years. Coq said the case would be assigned a judge and a verdict could take three months.
It's unlikely the Americans could be tried back home, according to Christopher J. Schmidt, an expert on international child kidnapping law in St. Louis, Mo. U.S. statutes may not even apply, he said, since the children never crossed an international border.
"We expect God's will will be done. And we will be released. And we're looking forward to what God is going to do," she told APTN before learning they would be charged.
Anyone else think that people would react a lot worse if these were missionaries from another religion doing the same exact thing? Can you imagine Muslims, Hindus or pretty much any other religion and the amount of outright outrage that would be generated.
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Yes. Imagine Muslims trying to smuggle US kids across the border after hurrican Katrina, because it was the will of Allah
