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I agree with MJS' agreeing with Kenpomachine's agreeing with Rob!
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Originally posted by LoneWolfandCub
I agree....you see guys doing long four and getting so deep in a horse their cup almost drags on the floor or kicking a hole in the ceiling in snaking talons or protecting fans to impress the judges, why change our form to please the judges? This makes no sense to me, if its a kick to the groin it might not look as impressive but it is definately more effective.
Tournements IMHO have actually lowered the standard and purpose of why we do some of of what we do in kata and our respective arts.
I agree with everything--except the idea about, "sports," and, "achieving more." That, I think, is quite wrong--and not just because I don't study martial arts for sport purposes.
I think it's wrong because it defines, "improvement," or, "evolution," if you like, as tricks, techniques, gymnastics, "higher," kicks, "faster," moves, etc...
Ok, point taken. Reguarding the flash. I think that the main idea of this thread, was to discuss the benefits of what you can get out of kata, and the applications that are in them.
If I went to one and was up against someone who has been going to them on a regular basis, its not going to make a damn bit of difference if we did the same kata...fact of the matter is, is that the other guy will win because he shows up to more of them.
You said that you went with the motion of the hit, therefore, as you were falling, you went with it and did a cartwheel. Fine, but you could have planted you hands right into some glass, rocks, nails, etc.
The judges get to know you. Is that a fair judging?? I dont think so!
I am only saying the sparring isn't perfect either. My point was that it is better to help solve then to sideline complain. We are always trying to improve, but negative attitudes and speculation about what goes on is always going to hurt the arts, sport or no sport.Comparing sparring and kata are 2 different events. You cant compare the rules in the 2.
I'm 250. And in this day and age, I would't be suprised if it is on the net somewhere, with people laughing at me for my sorry rendition of a cartwheel.As for the cartwheel. Ok, it might have worked for you, but is it going to work in all situations? I'd like to see a 300lb man doing a cartwheel. Hey, maybe they can, I dont know, I'm not 300 lbs. so who am I to judge that. Just trying to think logically here.
In my opinion, doing a move like that, runs the risk of getting you into some trouble. Its in the same category of doing any jumping or spinning kicks. If you don't do them properly, you will telegraph your movement.
Originally posted by Old Fat Kenpoka
Pyros: you commented on the importance of Bunkai training to supplement Kata practice.