Baoquan
Blue Belt
Cthulhu - you couldn't have got it any more "right" - IMHO (another "non-certified" JKD kid) the "pontificating buffoon" is JKD!!
Cheers
Bao
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Bao
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Originally posted by Baoquan
Cthulhu - you couldn't have got it any more "right" - IMHO (another "non-certified" JKD kid) the "pontificating buffoon" is JKD!!
Cheers
Bao
Originally posted by Baoquan
I agree, to an extent - but Lee and Inosanto have been quoted saying things like "What is JKD? This meal is JKD." - meaning that JKD is the spirit and purpose of a thing, not a thing in and of itself.
(To risk opening an old, and IMHO very tired can of worms, you may see i'm sitting in the "Concepts" camp ).
In many ways, studying JKD is the act of training with or under someone who has studied JKD/JunFan formally. But it is also very much just a way of looking at things, which it seems you're doing.
Michealangelo once said that sculpting a horse was simply a process of starting with a stone, and taking away all the parts that aren't a horse. Mihealangelo was JKD centuries before Sigung Lee was born!!
Cheers
Baoquan.
Originally posted by Cthulhu
Well, I'm not too sure what the current state of the issue is, but...
A rift was created between people who thought JKD should be taught just the way it had been when Lee died ('Original' JKD) and the people who believed that JKD was an evolutionary process that went through continual adaptation (JKD 'Concepts'). Most the of 'Concepts' people seem to have an Inosanto lineage and most of the 'Original' people seem to be either students who trained with Wong or those who trained with Lee but were never certified instructors under him.
The 'Original' JKD people maintain that JKD should be taught just as Lee taught it before his death. In essence, they've made JKD a concrete 'style' which is something that Lee was against. They tend to disapprove of Inosantos's introduction of FMA into JKD, though that was initiated before Lee died. Some of them also seem to forget that Lee had turned the schools over to his instructors, J. Lee, Kimura, and Inosanto, and he rarely trained anymore students near his death, as he was busy making films and also wanted to take the time to train himself.
The 'Concepts' people are of the mindset that JKD is more of a philosophy, or set of concepts, applied to MA training, particularly 'absorb what is useful, reject what is useless, add what is specifically your own', though that is but one of many principles involved in JKD. As such, it is a continually evolving entity, with different interpretations from person to person, as it becomes a personal expression after enough training. However, some people add and discard without fully researching, which is basically the wrong way to go about it. They see something they like, they just add it without a comprehensive study. Likewise, if they don't like something, they reject it without a second thought.
Like I stated earlier, to me, paraphrasing Mas Oyama, 'JKD is JKD!'.
However, since I'm just a pontificating baffoon, I defer to the certified JKD MartialTalk members.
Cthulhu
Originally posted by sweeper
That brings up the question, Who teaches FMA as JKD? Who has teachers or knows teachers that teach FMA as JKD?
From what I know (as stated above) Dan Inosanto does not, at the inosanto academe the classes are seperate and certification by dan is seperate. And I'm not talking about an instructor teaching FMA and JKD in the same class but rather actualy calling FMA JKD. For example my instructor teaches FMA and JKD in the same class but he says "this is a Kali drill" or "this is JKD footwork" he does teach empty hand drills like Hubuddebudbud(sp?) and incorperates it with other flow type drills for empty hand fighting (the JKD aspect of the class) but that isn't realy adding to JKD is it? Anyway the question realy is how many people in the world actualy have added to JKD as aposed to learned another art and taught it along side JKD?
yeah, to the best of my knowledge dan inosanto's instructors don't have many standards that they have to stick to in the way that they teach
my instructor teaches kali and JKD in the same classrooms,
Uhm.. think you basicly just said "fighting is fighting and any distinction between styles is of an academic/intelectual nature but wouldn't apply to the application of said styles under real situations."Hope this makes sense
Actually, Guru Dan Inosanto, has tremendous standards on how someone teaches in terms of style and ability and academic knowledge, (history, reference, theory).
Uhm.. think you basicly just said "fighting is fighting and any distinction between styles is of an academic/intelectual nature but wouldn't apply to the application of said styles under real situations."
Originally posted by Magua
before he passed bruce lee saw where jkd was leading and he spoke not too pleasantly of it in a few interviews..
it's disappointing to see it turn into more a complex 'style' as opposed to his original idea of it being merely a guide or idea if you will to help us better ourselves and further our progress as martial artists..
in the sense of survival in real life situations,restriction to a certain 'style' will most likely do more harm than good to the practicioner..
jeet kun do was a philosophy designed to free us from such ideas and restrictions
Good point. JKD is in some circles a "personality cult". People more concerned about lineage than about ability.
jeet kun do was a philosophy designed to free us from such ideas and restrictions