JCVD

[Wing Woo Gar]

I did. I’m proud of the accomplishment. I was 38 years old. My opponent was probably 10 years younger. I was relatively new to full-contact combat sports, with only one prior fight. I was never naturally tough or athletic. So it was a great learning experience and something to feel good about.

But I’d still feel like a fake claiming to be a kickboxing champion, even if I could technically justify it based on the belt.

I don’t know what sort of tournament experience JCVD has to back up his claim of being a champion, but it’s probably more than what I have.

Well I often feel like a fake when telling someone I teach Chinese martial arts. I’m not a Sifu, and I never received formal permission to teach. I don’t have a belt or title to my name, and there’s an awful lot I don’t know about Chinese martial arts, let alone the wide, wide world of martial arts in general. You have a BJJ black belt, and a Muay Thai champion belt, you are legit my friend.

 

[Tony Dismukes]

Well I often feel like a fake when telling someone I teach Chinese martial arts. I’m not a Sifu, and I never received formal permission to teach. I don’t have a belt or title to my name, and there’s an awful lot I don’t know about Chinese martial arts, let alone the wide, wide world of martial arts in general. You have a BJJ black belt, and a Muay Thai champion belt, you are legit my friend.

I feel comfortable claiming to be a legitimately skilled and knowledgeable martial artist. I'll even go so far as to say I'm probably above average as far as instructors go.

But I'm not going to put "champion" on my resumé based on winning one fight in the novice division of one regional amateur tournament. Maybe if I had been in the advanced division, but even then it might be a little pretentious. I've trained with people who have won championships at the professional level, at national and international levels. There's really no comparison.

 

[Xue Sheng]

I got you beat on that! I went to a Snowboarding Documentary movie and bought raffle tickets. I won 4 times that night and got booed off the stage twice! I got a helmet wired with speakers and a vox for my phone, 2 lift tickets, a set of Yakima roof racks, and a new set of electric goggles.

I got a Harley Davidson sx125

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

I got a Harley Davidson sx125

Ok I submit.

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

I feel comfortable claiming to be a legitimately skilled and knowledgeable martial artist. I'll even go so far as to say I'm probably above average as far as instructors go.

But I'm not going to put "champion" on my resumé based on winning one fight in the novice division of one regional amateur tournament. Maybe if I had been in the advanced division, but even then it might be a little pretentious. I've trained with people who have won championships at the professional level, at national and international levels. There's really no comparison.

One side note here. I’ve been reading your posts a while now, I think I have a good read on your teaching style, which is why I’m willing to travel to meet you and train with you.

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

My dogs a show dog, and won a "best in show" championship. Just ignore the fact that it was a halloween dog event at a brewery where all the staff obsess over him.

There are certainly some expectations of proof that are incumbent with such claims

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

What just happened in my last post?! It looks like I quoted @Monkey Turned Wolf, but it was my post to make a silly.

 

[Same Trick]

That's odd. Where are you?

Where are you getting this information?

That's another very odd statement. Savate alone has a 2-3 hundred years history. And Belgium isn't Germany.

I live in a city in Anhui province

Yes savate has been around for a longer time than modern kickboxing, but it was the kickboxing development in the US that was brought to a larger public in Europe by the German martial artist Georg Bruckner, there was also influences to Europe from thebJapanese kickboxing development.

Where I got the information ? From the Swedish kickboxing association webpage, it’s a very reliable source

 

[Same Trick]

JCVD competed in Spain ?

 

[Buka]

I remember one tournament season in Massachusetts back in the day. There were five “Mass State Championship” tournaments. Said so on the flyers and the trophies.

My first Jits tournament I was in an Over Forty White Belt division. There were two of us, me and a Little Person.

Oh, man.

 

[Monkey Turned Wolf]

What just happened in my last post?! It looks like I quoted @Monkey Turned Wolf, but it was my post to make a silly.

I tried to reply to that post, and martialtalk didn't let me. Looks like the sites being weird today. Brief context that I think I mentioned here before, he's disabled from the waist down, so we try to include that in his costumes for fun.

This was him this year as the mystery machine from scooby doo:

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And this was him last year, where he was baby groot in a pot:

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[Monkey Turned Wolf]

I tried to reply to that post, and martialtalk didn't let me. Looks like the sites being weird today. Brief context that I think I mentioned here before, he's disabled from the waist down, so we try to include that in his costumes for fun.

This was him this year as the mystery machine from scooby doo:

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And this was him last year, where he was baby groot in a pot:

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It looks like the links aren't posting the way linked pics normally do. If you need me to embed the pictures outside of instagram to see them let me know

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

JCVD competed in Spain ?

No, well maybe, but I meant that my friend is from Spain.

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

I tried to reply to that post, and martialtalk didn't let me. Looks like the sites being weird today. Brief context that I think I mentioned here before, he's disabled from the waist down, so we try to include that in his costumes for fun.

This was him this year as the mystery machine from scooby doo:

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And this was him last year, where he was baby groot in a pot:

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I remember he is disabled. Our clinic cat, “Wally” had an elaborate wheelchair at one of the vets I worked at in the 90s

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

I remember one tournament season in Massachusetts back in the day. There were five “Mass State Championship” tournaments. Said so on the flyers and the trophies.

My first Jits tournament I was in an Over Forty White Belt division. There were two of us, me and a Little Person.

Oh, man.

Well, this begs the question, did you win?

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

It looks like the links aren't posting the way linked pics normally do. If you need me to embed the pictures outside of instagram to see them let me know

Oh god he is adorable! Great costumes.

 

[Sammy Naur]

I live in a city in Anhui province

Yes savate has been around for a longer time than modern kickboxing, but it was the kickboxing development in the US that was brought to a larger public in Europe by the German martial artist Georg Bruckner, there was also influences to Europe from thebJapanese kickboxing development.

Where I got the information ? From the Swedish kickboxing association webpage, it’s a very reliable source

If your web browsing is being censored and monitored by the Chinese government, I wouldn't put too much weight in your ideas of European martial arts history.

Yes, George Bruckner helped promote martial arts in Europe in the 60s. But he was hardly the first...

What Swedish kickboxing association?

 

[Sammy Naur]

Quite a few countries have banned wikipedia. China and the middle east are the big areas, and Russia censors what pages come through

Wonderful, and the people posting from those places are getting their information from who knows where?.

I'm half expecting to hear shortly that China invented boxing, and Russia wrestling.

I'm only half kidding.

 

[Same Trick]

If your web browsing is being censored and monitored by the Chinese government, I wouldn't put too much weight in your ideas of European martial arts history.

Yes, George Bruckner helped promote martial arts in Europe in the 60s. But he was hardly the first...

What Swedish kickboxing association?

The swedish kickboxing association is a sub entity to the Swedish Budo and martial arts association that is part of the Swedish Sports Confederation the main governing sports/athletic body in the country with direct tie to the state.
The Swedish kickboxing association is a member of WAKO
So as I said, it’s reliable…. And easily accessible from China.
Wiki is another thing in that’s controlled by the cia :yes: so of course a monster compared to harmless martial arts association webpages .

“WAKO's journey in Europe began in 1976, and the organization was officially founded in Berlin, Germany, on February 26th, 1977, by Mr. Georg Brueckner.”
About WAKO - The World Association of Kickboxing Organizations

The kickboxing organization was Bruckners main contribution. Martial arts in general had many pioneers in Europe Jujutsu goes back to at least very early 1900, karate late 1950’s early 60’s began to pop up here and there, Thai boxing and Kickboxing from Japan came to Sweden in mid 70’s but there wasn’t any bigger organized competitions, despite this a Swede managed to capture 3’d place at the 1979 kickboxing world championships held in Florida.

Anyway If JCVD(van varenberg)can be found among any legit martial arts association we would have seen it long time ago.
sure, he can pull off a nice kicking pose for the movies and probably inspired some young guys to take up serious martial arts training, for that he should be credited

 

[Sammy Naur]

The swedish kickboxing association is a sub entity to the Swedish Budo and martial arts association that is part of the Swedish Sports Confederation the main governing sports/athletic body in the country with direct tie to the state.
The Swedish kickboxing association is a member of WAKO
So as I said, it’s reliable…. And easily accessible from China.
Wiki is another thing in that’s controlled by the cia :yes: so of course a monster compared to harmless martial arts association webpages .

“WAKO's journey in Europe began in 1976, and the organization was officially founded in Berlin, Germany, on February 26th, 1977, by Mr. Georg Brueckner.”
About WAKO - The World Association of Kickboxing Organizations

The kickboxing organization was Bruckners main contribution. Martial arts in general had many pioneers in Europe Jujutsu goes back to at least very early 1900, karate late 1950’s early 60’s began to pop up here and there, Thai boxing and Kickboxing from Japan came to Sweden in mid 70’s but there wasn’t any bigger organized competitions, despite this a Swede managed to capture 3’d place at the 1979 kickboxing world championships held in Florida.

Anyway If JCVD(van varenberg)can be found among any legit martial arts association we would have seen it long time ago.
sure, he can pull off a nice kicking pose for the movies and probably inspired some young guys to take up serious martial arts training, for that he should be credited

He has multiple WAKO competition wins, and others, throughout the late 70s and 80s.

Again, I have to wonder what information you don't have access too because at least according to JCVDs Wikipedia page, he's been part of quite a few legit martial arts associations.

If you want to see the detailed breakdown of his fight record, I would be happy to screenshot it for you. Here's a summary.