It's not rocket science

[drop bear]

Would the extra layer be strategy, sensitivity, ability to improvise and instantly change tactics?

Yeah. It is the skill set you use when the other guy is defending. And the skill set you use when you are defending him.

Of course there is another skill set that counters the above.

 

[Chris Parker]

Depends what you do.

Fighting is as complicated as the other guy. So I punch you in the head you fall over fighting is simple.

If you counter then I have to become more complex. If I become more complex then so do you. And so on.

It is separate to just solid technique.

But they generally need a coach who does understand those factors.

So you have this layer of ability. You are fast and a good quick striker. But the other guy is stronger than you and more aggressive.

Imagine it as the paper rock scissors game where three people of equal ability can master the other due to the inherent advantages of that ability.

So now you need another layer of martial arts mastery to contend with these shifts in fighting dynamics.

Using Mohamed Ali was the example. He fought guys who were better physical fighters than himself and beat them. And that becomes a science.

Yeah. It is the skill set you use when the other guy is defending. And the skill set you use when you are defending him.

Of course there is another skill set that counters the above.

Er… you do get that the OP, the entire OP, the whole concept of this thread, the forum it's in, and so on, are all asking specifically about aspects of Wing Chun, not just generic fighting, yeah? And that they are, you know, completely different discussions? I guess what I'm saying is… what relevance do any of your posts have to the thread itself? What insight do you have into the differing methodologies of Wing Chun that the OP was asking about? Or do you think that all martial arts are just about generic fighting, and therefore questions about specific aspects and approaches to specific systems can completely ignore all that specificity?

 

[drop bear]

Er… you do get that the OP, the entire OP, the whole concept of this thread, the forum it's in, and so on, are all asking specifically about aspects of Wing Chun, not just generic fighting, yeah? And that they are, you know, completely different discussions? I guess what I'm saying is… what relevance do any of your posts have to the thread itself? What insight do you have into the differing methodologies of Wing Chun that the OP was asking about? Or do you think that all martial arts are just about generic fighting, and therefore questions about specific aspects and approaches to specific systems can completely ignore all that specificity?

Does wing Chun work on a different basic idea?

 

[Chris Parker]

So… you have no clue about Wing Chun at all?

Again, read the OP… it is only about Wing Chun and it's principles (specifically). And yes, in that sense, Wing Chun does work on different basic ideas… at least in the expression of them.

 

[drop bear]

So… you have no clue about Wing Chun at all?

Again, read the OP… it is only about Wing Chun and it's principles (specifically). And yes, in that sense, Wing Chun does work on different basic ideas… at least in the expression of them.

Lol.

You are just trolling.

 

[Chris Parker]

No, mate, I'm not. You, on the other hand, by entering into threads and forums where you don't know what you're talking about, and ignoring the context of the thread itself, could be classed as doing so.

So, I ask again. What do you understand of Wing Chun's methodology, specifically, that enables you to be able to intelligently engage in this conversation? If it's nothing, and you didn't look closely enough (or read the OP properly), that's fine… but if it's simply you thinking that all systems are the same, so it doesn't matter if you're completely ignorant, then I suggest you rethink that entirely.

You may notice that I did actually answer your question, though… so that's hardly a case of my "trolling". Accusations of such won't go well for you if that's your go-to move.

 

[drop bear]

No, mate, I'm not. You, on the other hand, by entering into threads and forums where you don't know what you're talking about, and ignoring the context of the thread itself, could be classed as doing so.

So, I ask again. What do you understand of Wing Chun's methodology, specifically, that enables you to be able to intelligently engage in this conversation? If it's nothing, and you didn't look closely enough (or read the OP properly), that's fine… but if it's simply you thinking that all systems are the same, so it doesn't matter if you're completely ignorant, then I suggest you rethink that entirely.

You may notice that I did actually answer your question, though… so that's hardly a case of my "trolling". Accusations of such won't go well for you if that's your go-to move.

You haven't yet even been even vaguely on topic and you are just being snarky with me. For no good reason.

Wing chun people have engaged in this idea. So mabye there is an overlap in concepts.

If wing chin is some sort of single layered concept that moves away from a fairly common approach to fighting, instead of playing the man here. (trolling) present your idea as to why.

 

[Chris Parker]

Try again, son.

I've addressed why Wing Chun is different (answering your question), I've pointed out and referred to the OP itself, and asked for your understanding of the topic itself. You have avoided answering and ignored what you're being told. This isn't trolling, it's addressing the topic… which is something you're unable to do.

 

[drop bear]

Try again, son.

I've addressed why Wing Chun is different (answering your question), I've pointed out and referred to the OP itself, and asked for your understanding of the topic itself. You have avoided answering and ignored what you're being told. This isn't trolling, it's addressing the topic… which is something you're unable to do.

You have stated that wing chun is different. Not addressed why. Otherwise you are trying to hammer home an issue that nobody else has. And that is off topic.

 

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[mograph]

Reposting the Q:

Now , my question is , how much time is really needed to learn and understand a complete curriculum of some wing chun style ( i am not talking about the skill , only about knowledge)?

 

[KPM]

I'd say about 3 to 5 years, depending on how often the student is attending classes and how quickly they pick up on things.

 

[geezer]

I'd say about 3 to 5 years, depending on how often the student is attending classes and how quickly they pick up on things.

That's assuming you have a bright, hardworking and physically capable student with sufficient time and money to train regularly at least four or five days a week in class and daily at home.

...And a close relationship with a top quality sifu who will generously bring the student along as fast as the student is capable of absorbing the material, and without holding back information.

The second part above is the hard part! And finally, there is a certain quality of experience, maturity or "wisdom" of the system that will take considerably more time. Sometimes I feel that WC (or probably any art) is like a suit of clothes. You have to wear it a while to feel really comfortable in it.

BTW like most of us, the journey is taking me much longer. But then what's the hurry?

 

[zuti car]

That's assuming you have a bright, hardworking and physically capable student with sufficient time and money to train regularly at least four or five days a week in class and daily at home.

...And a close relationship with a top quality sifu who will generously bring the student along as fast as the student is capable of absorbing the material, and without holding back information.

Actually , not all systems are the same, some have much less "baggage" than others . Some systems are notoriously full of unnecessary things put there to keep students as long as it is possible . Also , focus in training is important , if the focus is on "mastering" drills , chi sao , "techniques" , in that case training can last for decades , if the focus is on developing necessary attributes for fighting ,training can be much shorter .