Is there an effective beginner friendly martial art that fits my mentality?

[Mallic]

Not necessarily. You’re assuming that authorities are motivated enough to police and disarm. Depending on the country, they are poorly paid, poorly trained, and extort the local gangs.

In the US, gangsters kill each other with guns. In places like the Philippines, they up the ante with fragmentation grenades.

I strongly advise you read, watch, and listen to the above mentioned people before you ask more questions.

Similar energy to telling someone to "Educate themselves" I remember someone telling me to do exactly what you're telling me to and despite doing exactly that, my views were still dismissed because my opinions did not change.

Implying that they assumed that they were confident that once I did my research I would see the error of my ways and come to the exact same conclusion they did

So before I do tell me right now whether or not you expect something akin to that.

Also correct me if I'm wrong, but am into believe you're of the mentality that the only things you can trust is yourself and your gun? Cause it's clear you don't trust law enforcement and think people in most 3rd world countries will off you just for looking at them the wrong way.

 

[drop bear]

Right, like if you can take away what makes them scary or intimidate them to the point where they decide you ain't worth it, why go for the throat when it's unnecessary?

Sort of.

It is a concept I call moving through the space safely to a dominant position.

It is possibly one of the most important concepts in fighting. And the thing is it is the same for a non aggressive approach or an aggressive one. Because if I nail that. I can do whatever I want to the other guy.

 

[drop bear]

Honestly, through this statement and some of the other preconceived notions that you've mentioned about martial arts schools, I get the feeling your social circle might be the issue

I have experienced the if he touches me then I am authorised to kill him crowd.

Sorry but it is a very American concept.

 

[Mallic]

I have experienced the if he touches me then I am authorised to kill him crowd.

Sorry but it is a very American concept.

Because of course it is. They like to say an armed people is a polite people. No. An armed people is a paranoid people.

 

[drop bear]

Yeah probably. Honestly it's getting to the point where I genuinely ask if some people just have a brutality fetish.

Martial arts and torture porn is definitely a thing.

 

[Mallic]

Martial arts and torture porn is definitely a thing.

Yeah I've seen people sound just a little too excited at the idea of gunning someone down.

It's very concerning...

 

[drop bear]

So here is Tim Kennedy taking a shock knife off a guy without beating him to death.

To engage in live training you have to be able to develop a system that doesn't cripple people.

 

[Mallic]

So here is Tim Kennedy taking a shock knife off a guy without beating him to death.

To engage in live training you have to be able to develop a system that doesn't cripple people.

Ok ok I see what he's cooking. Thought personally I would want to try to kick him off or do something to create space. I don't want someone that close to me with a regular knife let alone a shock knife.

Instinctively, I generally wanna keep someone at arms lengths cause anything can happen in a chaotic tussle like that.

 

[Hanshi]

Since your view of a good, nonaggressive martial art is subjective - as it is for most of us - I might suggest trying hapkido, aikido or judo. Various schools have their own interpretation of of these three but they are all considered as primarily "soft" arts.

 

[Mallic]

Since your view of a good, nonaggressive martial art is subjective - as it is for most of us - I might suggest trying hapkido, aikido or judo. Various schools have their own interpretation of of these three but they are all considered as primarily "soft" arts.

I definitely had my eyes on hapkido for a while now.

 

[drop bear]

Ok ok I see what he's cooking. Thought personally I would want to try to kick him off or do something to create space. I don't want someone that close to me with a regular knife let alone a shock knife.

Instinctively, I generally wanna keep someone at arms lengths cause anything can happen in a chaotic tussle like that.

There is a theory I like that by the time you turn and run they can catch you because you have to spend time turning and they don't.

If you run backwards. They can run forwards faster.

If I create space. I create space for them.

But if you take their back or put them on the ground. They have to spend time to turn or stand up and you can get away safely.

Move safely through the space. Achieve a dominant position.

(I get it that there are times you don't want to do that as well)

 

[Mallic]

There is a theory I like that by the time you turn and run they can catch you because you have to spend time turning and they don't.

If you run backwards. They can run forwards faster.

But if you take their back or put them on the ground. They have to spend time to turn or stand up and you can get away safely.

Move safely through the space. Achieve a dominant position.

(I get it that there are times you don't want to do that as well)

Yes that's precisely the same conclusion I came to. As by the time they get up there is simply far too much distance between you and them for them to catch you at the very least you would be among other people so they would have to give up.

 

[GreenieMeanie]

So before I do tell me right now whether or not you expect something akin to that.

Bro, who hurt you?
I’m referring you to those resources, because it is unlikely you will get a better explanation elsewhere.

Also correct me if I'm wrong, but am into believe you're of the mentality that the only things you can trust is yourself and your gun?

I trust myself not to attract unwanted attention, and stay out of stupid places. Using a weapon means that I failed that, and that deescalation failed. If I’m forced to take someone’s life, then my life will get very, unpleasantly complicated, potentially ruined. Especially if it happens it the wrong place. That’s not even getting into the psychological aftermath.

Cause it's clear you don't trust law enforcement

Trusting law enforcement in an American city, and trusting law enforcement in a cartel-controlled Mexican town are different things.

and think people in most 3rd world countries will off you just for looking at them the wrong way.

Depending on who you’re dealing with, they will view inappropriate eye contact as a challenge.

 

[GreenieMeanie]

There is a theory I like that by the time you turn and run they can catch you because you have to spend time turning and they don't.

If you run backwards. They can run forwards faster.

If I create space. I create space for them.

But if you take their back or put them on the ground. They have to spend time to turn or stand up and you can get away safely.

Move safely through the space. Achieve a dominant position.

(I get it that there are times you don't want to do that as well)

It’s a valid approach for the toolkit.

 

[Mallic]

Bro, who hurt you?
I’m referring you to those resources, because it is unlikely you will get a better explanation elsewhere.

I trust myself not to attract unwanted attention, and stay out of stupid places. Using a weapon means that I failed that, and that deescalation failed. If I’m forced to take someone’s life, then my life will get very, unpleasantly complicated, potentially ruined. Especially if it happens it the wrong place. That’s not even getting into the psychological aftermath.

Trusting law enforcement in an American city, and trusting law enforcement in a cartel-controlled Mexican town are different things.

Depending on who you’re dealing with, they will view inappropriate eye contact as a challenge.

Look my stance is sometimes conflict is unavoidable due to either ignorance or conflicting interests. If it comes down to either you or him, you do what you gotta do. Sometimes trouble has a way of finding you and not everybody can be talked down.

What was that meme saying "Some people don't want peace, they want problems."

And personally if it can be proven they struck first I don't think one should be punished for protecting ones life.

 

[GreenieMeanie]

Look my stance is sometimes conflict is unavoidable due to either ignorance or conflicting interests. If it comes down to either you or him, you do what you gotta do. Sometimes trouble has a way of finding you and not everybody can be talked down.

What was that meme saying "Some people don't want peace, they want problems."

And personally if it can be proven they struck first I don't think one should be punished for protecting ones life.

Some dudes will look for a reason to attack you, to prove to their buddies how righteous and tough they are.

Go to those resources. You have no idea the wealth of knowledge that awaits you.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

Depending on who you’re dealing with, they will view inappropriate eye contact as a challenge.

A: What are you looking at?
B: I'm looking at you. Is that a problem?

I remember when I was young, anytime that one talked back like this would involve with a fist fight.

 

[HighKick]

But doesn't that basically encourage you to be as ruthless as humanly possible? Sounds to me like this mindset is in place not because it's the only proper way to do things but because the law is set up in such a way that you can actually get into more trouble then if you don't go out of your way to kill them.

Also the 3rd world mentality is entirely different as you're much more likely to run into knife users then gun users outside the us.

Agree. Maybe @GreenieMeanie needs to look up the word 'deterrent'.

 

[GreenieMeanie]

Agree. Maybe @GreenieMeanie needs to look up the word 'deterrent'.

Bold assumption.

 

[marvin8]

Sort of.

It is a concept I call moving through the space safely to a dominant position.

It is possibly one of the most important concepts in fighting. And the thing is it is the same for a non aggressive approach or an aggressive one. Because if I nail that. I can do whatever I want to the other guy.

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