If not then is it actually that some styles could be more effective? If so, then why do people learn martial arts if they could do just as well with their own method?
Tradition and loyalty.
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If not then is it actually that some styles could be more effective? If so, then why do people learn martial arts if they could do just as well with their own method?
In the earliest days of UFC and Kickboxing, There wasnt one dominant striking style. BJJ did far better back then because nobody knew what it was. Now people are familiar and know how to defend against the common BJJ moves you see and its even.
I wouldnt necessarily say that some styles are more effective. Remember, Traditional TKD or what became later TKD, was used on the battlefield in Korea when Japan invaded. But now there are many more sport schools. They don't claim to be anything else usually, thats a picture painted by the less informed. But theres still Traditional TKD guys who are doing a lot of full contact SD work. But still, many people who only see sport TKD will assume its useless.
Styles came to existence because of different needs, methodologies, situations, body styles, purpose, and many other reasons. Theres never really been one central most effective style or system in hundreds of years. In terms of SD or even sport, multiple styles gives you more options in finding what works best for your personally.
Even then, many martial arts are combinations of or piggybacked into creation off of other martial arts. Essentially, ever cross training martial artist develops their own method.
In the earliest days of UFC and Kickboxing, There wasnt one dominant striking style. BJJ did far better back then because nobody knew what it was. Now people are familiar and know how to defend against the common BJJ moves you see and its even.
The focus of your school makes a difference moreso than a style, but the ability to apply whatever knowledge and skills youve learned falls on you.
I have no ideas how the other thread was made.... Clicked post once came up twice...Don't know why there are 2 threads for this subject.
If your style doesn't emphasize on "choke", "flying knee", "single leg", or ..., will that prevent you from putting those tools into your toolbox? Where will you be able to obtain those tools? You may have to look outside of your style. Since you will be responsibility to bring those useful tools into your own toolbox, it's the person (yourself) that's important and not the style.
No, BJJ did well because the early UFC was designed to showcase it. The UFC is a business, look up it's history. UFC is not MMA.
I think you might have people who will also dispute the TKD being used on the battlefield thing too, you might have to look up TKD history too.
TKD is a blanket term. When the name came to be the 9 kwans were all very different martial arts. Where they came from were a mixture of Korean and Japanese martial arts, as when japan invaded soldiers werent allowed to train in Korean arts. While the term TKD wasnt given until after the occupation, the styles that become TKD were used. Obviously the "punched clean through his chest!" anecdotes are bogus, but thats how the amalgamation that later became called TKD came to be popular.
I wouldnt necessarily say that some styles are more effective. Remember, Traditional TKD or what became later TKD, was used on the battlefield in Korea when Japan invaded. But now there are many more sport schools. They don't claim to be anything else usually, thats a picture painted by the less informed. But theres still Traditional TKD guys who are doing a lot of full contact SD work. But still, many people who only see sport TKD will assume its useless.
Styles came to existence because of different needs, methodologies, situations, body styles, purpose, and many other reasons. Theres never really been one central most effective style or system in hundreds of years. In terms of SD or even sport, multiple styles gives you more options in finding what works best for your personally.
Even then, many martial arts are combinations of or piggybacked into creation off of other martial arts. Essentially, ever cross training martial artist develops their own method.
In the earliest days of UFC and Kickboxing, There wasnt one dominant striking style. BJJ did far better back then because nobody knew what it was. Now people are familiar and know how to defend against the common BJJ moves you see and its even.
The focus of your school makes a difference moreso than a style, but the ability to apply whatever knowledge and skills youve learned falls on you.
You broke the code!More like they filed the serial numbers off Shotokan
Yeap. In thhe first few UFCs all of the participants were hand picked. Chosen because of their particular fighting styles and were a tournament style format not a single match format of today. In the first UFC the only person the Gracie's were concerned about was Ken Shamrock because of his high school, professional and Pancrase wrestling background. Shamrock accepted the UFC fight even though he had just fought 4 days prior in Japan and fought without rest and suffering with jet lag. Gracie won the first 2 UFC's pulled in the 3rd (could not continue) because he was beat up so badly. Then time limits were put into place and other rules were added to make the UFC more 'acceptable' to sell to the general public. To Make $$$. The first few were strikers vs BJJ, as wrestler strikers began to get in BJJ was tested and Gracie quit after fighting to a draw in the 5th UFC. However BJJ/GJJ took off as the style to know.No, BJJ did well because the early UFC was designed to showcase it. The UFC is a business, look up it's history. UFC is not MMA.
Tkd in the battlefield? Cite a reference please. Some of the precursors to tkd maybe, but I doubt anyone was doing 540 kicks or any fancy high kicks against guys with swords and spears.
Hey not all! My TSD school took from Goju RyuMore like they filed the serial numbers off Shotokan
Tkd in the battlefield? Cite a reference please. Some of the precursors to tkd maybe, but I doubt anyone was doing 540 kicks or any fancy high kicks against guys with swords and spears.
Well when TKD was given that general label nobody was fighting with swords and spears....
so the Koreans were using TKD against machine guns, tanks etc?
BJJ did equally well in all the other early MMA promotions that were not founded by members of the Gracie family. (Pride, World Combat Championship, Extreme Fighting Championship, etc)No, BJJ did well because the early UFC was designed to showcase it. The UFC is a business, look up it's history. UFC is not MMA.
According to the articles and soldiers, in trenches!
Wherever they used it, what became labeled as TKD after the occupation was popularized in the military by soldiers seeing it in action before the civilian market.
BJJ did equally well in all the other early MMA promotions that were not founded by members of the Gracie family. (Pride, World Combat Championship, Extreme Fighting Championship, etc)
Probably the biggest factor in that early success was that the Gracie family had decades of experience fighting practitioners of other martial arts, but most representatives of other arts did not have experience fighting BJJ. It took time, experience, observation, and experimentation to find the weaknesses of BJJ in an MMA environment.
Really? show me proof please.
True but the poster specifically said UFC so I was answering that, I suspect that it's a case of the poster thinking the UFC and MMA is the same thing.
Yes they did.BJJ did equally well in all the other early MMA promotions that were not founded by members of the Gracie family. (Pride, World Combat Championship, Extreme Fighting Championship, etc)
Probably the biggest factor in that early success was that the Gracie family had decades of experience fighting practitioners of other martial arts, but most representatives of other arts did not have experience fighting BJJ. It took time, experience, observation, and experimentation to find the weaknesses of BJJ in an MMA environment.