Impeach President Bush?

[Makalakumu]

Should the President be impeached? According to this law professor, yes he should.

http://www.counterpunch.org/boyle01172003.html

What do you think?

upnorthkyosa

 

[AnimEdge]

Sooo the W stands for Walker, i allways wondered

Im not vey politic so i dont want to start anything but i think hes fine and im votin for um

 

[Kane]

Should the President be impeached? According to this law professor, yes he should.

http://www.counterpunch.org/boyle01172003.html

What do you think?

upnorthkyosa

Oh great, another bush-bashing thread .

 

[michaeledward]

Kane, did you read the article? Do you have anything to say about it? Or are you just blindly defending your boy?


US Code: Title 18, Section 1001 states in part:

"whoever, in any manner within the jurisdiction of the executive, legislative, or judicial branch of the Government of the United States, knowingly and willfully (1) falsifies, conceals, or covers up by any trick, scheme or device a material fact; (2) makes any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or representation; or (3) makes or uses any false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or representation; or (4) makes or uses any false writing or document knowing the same to contain any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or entry...."

I think that George W. Bush's statements in his third State of the Union address show clear violation of Title 18, Section 1001.

1 - "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa". - FALSE
2 - "tax relief is for everyone who pays income tax" - FALSE
3 - "strengthen the security of air travel" (2002 State of the Union) "50,000 newly trained federal screeners in airports" (2003 State of the Union) - FALSE
4 - "I have sent you a Healthy Forests Initiative, to help prevent the ... fires that devastate communities, kill wildlife, and burn away millions of acres of treasured forest." - FALSE
5 - " ... to meet a sever and urgent crisis abroad, tonight I propose the Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief - a work of mercy beyond all current international efforts to help the people of Africa. This comprehensive plan will prevent seven million new AIDS infections, treat at least two million people with life extending drugs and provide humane care for millions of people suffering from AIDS, and for children orphaned by AIDS." - FALSE

I think, in addition to the six articles mentioned in the post, these are sufficient for impeachment. With the House in the firm control of Tom Delay, we ain't going to see it.

 

[Kane]

Kane, did you read the article? Do you have anything to say about it? Or are you just blindly defending your boy?

I read some of it. It just seems to me that many bush-haters on this board like to dig up trash on their own president and talk garbage about him.

 

[Gary Crawford]

Hogwash!

 

[Makalakumu]

Dr. Francis Boyle is a distinguished professor of Constitutional Law. I would say that his argument is far from hogwash and crap. It at leasts deserves rebuttle. This document was drafted January 17 2003. I wonder if there is a more recent draft?

upnorthkyosa

 

[bignick]

It just seems to me that many bush-haters on this board like to dig up trash on their own president and talk garbage about him.

that's what makes america so great...

What was Clinton impeached for? Lying about a sexual affair? If garbage like that was all it takes to impeach a president...Bush should have been impeached many times over...

Who cares about impeachment...that takes too long...just vote him out in November

 

[Tkang_TKD]

I read some of it. It just seems to me that many bush-haters on this board like to dig up trash on their own president and talk garbage about him.

Perhaps the members of this board see President Bush for what he is. Before you even so much as attempt to argue with me, please take note: I have served in the United States Navy on Active Duty for 15 years, and up until 2000 have voted strictly Republican. I consider myself to be a moderate.

I've now served 4 tours of duty in Iraq/Afghanistan over the length of my time on active duty, and I can say with certainty that I believed in what I was doing both in the first Gulf War, and in Afghanistan.

At this point, I can say without a doubt that President Bush should be impeached. He and his cabinet have given us more than enough reason, considering the misinformation put out by the administration concerning Iraq, as well as the wholesale thrashing of the constitution. The very constitution that I fight to protect!

Tell me why it is that over 50% of the american public polled still believes that Iraq has anything to do with 9/11? I refuse to be one of the uninformed sheep, plain and simple.

I've often heard the phrase "Put up or shut up!" Well, I have put up for the last 15 years, so I can assure you that I will not be shutting up.

 

[Tkang_TKD]

that's what makes america so great...

What was Clinton impeached for? Lying about a sexual affair? If garbage like that was all it takes to impeach a president...Bush should have been impeached many times over...

Who cares about impeachment...that takes too long...just vote him out in November

I agree fully! I wish President Bush was only guilty of extra-marital sex. At least we would have our focus of military might on fighting terrorism, instead of "liberating" other nations.

 

[bignick]

Sooo the W stands for Walker, i allways wondered

Im not vey politic so i dont want to start anything but i think hes fine and im votin for um

no offense...but there's no time like the present to educate yourself and make an informed choice during the elections...

if you follow the news...read up on the issues and find each candidates position on them and still decide to vote for bush, thats fine...that's what america lives on...

but, in my opinion the only thing worse than not voting is just showing up and just "flipping the coin" so to speak...and picking a candidate..."just because"

 

[Seig]

Perhaps the members of this board see President Bush for what he is. Before you even so much as attempt to argue with me, please take note: I have served in the United States Navy on Active Duty for 15 years, and up until 2000 have voted strictly Republican. I consider myself to be a moderate.

I've now served 4 tours of duty in Iraq/Afghanistan over the length of my time on active duty, and I can say with certainty that I believed in what I was doing both in the first Gulf War, and in Afghanistan.

At this point, I can say without a doubt that President Bush should be impeached. He and his cabinet have given us more than enough reason, considering the misinformation put out by the administration concerning Iraq, as well as the wholesale thrashing of the constitution. The very constitution that I fight to protect!

Tell me why it is that over 50% of the american public polled still believes that Iraq has anything to do with 9/11? I refuse to be one of the uninformed sheep, plain and simple.

I've often heard the phrase "Put up or shut up!" Well, I have put up for the last 15 years, so I can assure you that I will not be shutting up.

Thomas,
You started your service about the same time I ended mine. How do you feel about President Clinton stripping the military, the reduction in benefits, or selling top-secret, uncrackable, encodoing and communications equipment to Osama?

 

[Tkang_TKD]

Thomas,
You started your service about the same time I ended mine. How do you feel about President Clinton stripping the military, the reduction in benefits, or selling top-secret, uncrackable, encodoing and communications equipment to Osama?

Look back at some of the very first statements that I made, and you'll notice that I've voted Republican except for 2000. I was no big fan of Clintons at all.
That being said:

I think that downsizing the military seemed like the right thing to do at the time. The Berlin Wall came down, and the Cold War was effectively over. As for reduction in benefits, I haven't seen any. Not through Clinton, or with President Bush. I cannot speak for the veterans that have retired before me, as I do not have factual data with which to make an educated statement.

Now, as for your assertion that Clinton sold "top-secret, uncrackable, encoding and communications equipment to Osama"....Have you any proof of this? It's the first I've heard of it, and I've worked in communications for my entire career. Any un-biased, factual news organization with proof of this allegation will be sufficient. To be honest with you, that sounds like like something straight out of Freerepublic.com, or Rush Limbaugh. Which is it(possibly both, but more like selling secrets to the Chinese)?

 

[michaeledward]

Federel judges-Pres.Bush has been very unsucessfull in getting his nominees past the senate.In fact Federal benches are full of Clinton appointees.

One point I will choose to make.

http://www.movingideas.org/issuesindepth/judicial.html

In fact, in the last five years of the Clinton presidency, Republicans blocked 20% of the nominees submitted to the Senate. In President Bush's first three years, only 3.4% of judicial nominees have been rejected. Already, the Senate has confirmed thirty Bush circuit court nominees - this is a greater number than President Clinton was allowed in his two full terms in office.

Facts are pesky things, eh, Gary?

 

[michaeledward]

Not an urban legend.I am originally from Hot Springs,Ar.It was never done in secret there,you just didn't speak up if you wanted to stay above ground.You just have know idea.His supporters will never consider it.Why?Dead people don't talk!

Gary ... then how do you explain Ken Starr's incredible incompetence?

 

[Tkang_TKD]

Not an urban legend.I am originally from Hot Springs,Ar.It was never done in secret there,you just didn't speak up if you wanted to stay above ground.You just have know idea.His supporters will never consider it.Why?Dead people don't talk!

You're right. Dead People don't talk. Therefore they don't refute baseless claims. Did you read the Snopes article. It states pretty clearly how these "Body Counts" came to be distributed.

I'm not one to assume facts not in evidence, so if you can provide something factual to back your postion, I'm more than happy to read it, and who knows, maybe even learn something.

 

[Tkang_TKD]

Gary ... then how do you explain Ken Starr's incredible incompetence?

You read my link didn't you

 

[Gary Crawford]

He did the bst he could,considering the people he was up against.The no. one function of the Clinton administration was damage control.Pres. Clinton is a hardcore,I'm sure all the people who could have helped Ken Starr had their personal threats in place.

 

[Tkang_TKD]

He did the bst he could,considering the people he was up against.The no. one function of the Clinton administration was damage control.Pres. Clinton is a hardcore,I'm sure all the people who could have helped Ken Starr had their personal threats in place.

Wow! You give Clinton and his adminstration much more credit than I would. SO what do you think? Is Clinton gonna have his heart surgeon killed if he (Clinton) doesn't make it through bypass surgery?

 

[Makalakumu]

I find the whole declaration to be extremely vague.There only a few main points.Patriot act-we can argue all day about that one,but if it is unconstitutional,the U.S. Supreme Court has an obligation to say so.Federel judges-Pres.Bush has been very unsucessfull in getting his nominees past the senate.In fact Federal benches are full of Clinton appointees.This professor is just another Bush hating liberal who's declaration will never see the light of day because it has no teeth.If it had any credibility,it would be making it's proper rounds on Capitol Hill and NBC"s Matt Lower and Catie Curick would be talking about it non-stop.In fact,if there was any truth to it,Republicans would be thee first ones in line to remove him from office because Republican constituants will not put up with dishonesty from their elected leaders.Hubert Humphry-forced to resign over some IRS trouble.Richard Nixon-forced to resign over trying to cover up something he didn't even understand the real truth about(the reason the Watergate hotel was broke into was to recover a list of John Dean's call girls).Trent Lott-forced to resign over making a stupid statement to make an old man feel good on his birthday.Newt Gingrich-forced to resign over an extra marital affair.My point is-Republicans will take their own people out.I find this whole thing laughable because Democrats INMHO,will defend their people to the end even if they are guilty of crimes.It's to bad that the only thing we could impeach (and he was impeached) Pres. Clinton was lying under oath when there were several other scandals that his trained dog Janet Reno refused to let any dailight on.Democrats knew he was a rat,but he was their rat.I could go on and on about Clinton and all the people in Arkansas who are dead to cover up his crimes while he was govener,but there would be no point to that,he's out of office.Pres. Bush decided not to continue the investigation on Pres.Clinton for the good of the country.The only thing Pres. Bush is guilty of is doing his job.

All of those examples are small potatoes. The Republican Party has put all their eggs into President Bushes basket. Moreover, the President is following the policy set out by Right. I think that what this debate comes down to is that it illustrates the fact that the Right will do pretty much anything to get through their shopping list.