IDENTITY on reputation points

[Brother John]

I was the kind of guy in HighSchool who'd care less if I was "Popular" or not.
Infact, getting to know some of the most popular people in my school convinced me that it shouldn't be a coveted thing at all. So it doesn't bother me if I have many little green or little red dots at the tops of my posts. People will make up their own minds about what I have to say. In all honesty, I've not gotten many negative points in my...... thing. :idunno: But I've gotten a few that say some rude things, but it's 100% annonymous. I think people are using this newish feature to take potshots, and it's annoying.

IS there anyway to at least make it denote whom it is that left whatever feedback?
If not, so be it.
Just thought I'd ask.
Your Brother
John

 

[KenpoTess]

For members.. unless the poster signs their name.. no.. no way to see who posted the Rep points. The staff, can see who gave what though.

I look at it as just a 'cutesy' part of the software. *shrugs*

~Tess

 

[Cruentus]

I was the kind of guy in HighSchool who'd care less if I was "Popular" or not.
Infact, getting to know some of the most popular people in my school convinced me that it shouldn't be a coveted thing at all. So it doesn't bother me if I have many little green or little red dots at the tops of my posts. People will make up their own minds about what I have to say. In all honesty, I've not gotten many negative points in my...... thing. :idunno: But I've gotten a few that say some rude things, but it's 100% annonymous. I think people are using this newish feature to take potshots, and it's annoying.

IS there anyway to at least make it denote whom it is that left whatever feedback?
If not, so be it.
Just thought I'd ask.
Your Brother
John

Don't know. I sign my name to mine, and I usually give out only good points. Someone has to be a real moron for me to give them negatives.

The problem I see with having identity associated with negative points is that the stupidity of the human condition will kick in. "Hey, Brother John just gave me a negative point, so I'm going to now give HIM a negative point!" Then, you have contests and "reputation wars" with people, which could get real stupid. It could carry over to flame wars in the forums, where someone is grudge holding over rep points, so they slam you when they get the chance. So far, I have had people give me negative points, and they have attacked me in comment from everything to my character to my political stance to my religion. Some have given me negatives with no explaination at all. Some have been suspicious of me giving them negatives (something I rarely do), so they have flamed me and given me negative points, simply because they "thought" I gave them negatives because I publically disagreed with them. Unjustified negative points is the downside to rep points. But, I am afraid that if we were forced to sign our names to them, more problems would be created, simply based of the human condition.

That being said, maybe it is easy for me to say because out of the negatives I have recieved, I certianly have more positives to show for it. Maybe I'm doing something right. It all works out in the end, me thinks.

PAUL

p.s. Bro-John...I hope you didn't mind my positive points I gave you, with my little quip to go with it! :uhyeah:

 

[Bob Hubbard]

We could set it up that way, but decided against it. Partially due to the retribution-wars I've seen on other boards.

If someone gets particularly nasty, let us know however. Anyone found abusing the system will be dealt with.

 

[loki09789]

Why not just do away with it entirely. As I have said in the past, it sort of establishes a good old boy network of token power... seems like it would be a better place if we all just got equal 'rep point representation' and that was that.

 

[Dronak]

But I've gotten a few that say some rude things, but it's 100% annonymous. I think people are using this newish feature to take potshots, and it's annoying.

IS there anyway to at least make it denote whom it is that left whatever feedback?

I was only on one other board that had this feature and I left it after some bad experiences with users and mods. It was anonymous there, too, but you couldn't leave comments like here. Whether that's good or bad is debateable. Instead of just adding a point, you can also say "great post!" or something which can be nice to see. But likewise, as you already found out, you can subtract a point and then leave some insulting comment with it and the recipient won't know who did it. But I think they're right to keep it anonymous and avoid the possible wars that could happen if neither party is willing to let the other have the last word. I think I've seen something similar on IM -- people who normally have no warnings suddenly have something high like 70%. That fast? How? They must have gotten into an argument with someone and they kept warning each other back and forth on each message. At least with anonymous reputation/karma here, that does get avoided.

However, I'm still not a big fan of the system. It might be OK over the long term, once you reach a relatively stable value, but particularly in the beginning with low point totals it's too easy to have it switched from a positive total to a negative one. If your posts annoy someone enough, they can take it out on you by repeatedly giving you negative points. I suppose something like that could be reported to the mods, but can or will they do something? I don't know. It would probably depend on the situation. From the little I've seen so far, it doesn't seem like there are huge problems with the system which is good, but I really wouldn't be disappointed if it were removed. It still seems just a bit too fickle for my tastes. I think I'd prefer something where each person gets one vote on every other user, changeable at will.

P.S. -- Why are some boxes dark green and others light/bright green? Does it mark your highest point total? You reached some level, but it's dropped from that?

 

[Flatlander]

I'd like to say, though, that I see a benefit to having them. As a relative newcomer to this board, it gives me reason to pause and think when I see a post by someone with a lot of negative rep, as well as tend to add more credibility to those with more positive. I know that over the course of time, as I get to know everyone here a little better, that won't really matter anymore, but I must say, I've found it quite useful so far.

 

[Bob Hubbard]

The more points, the more boxes. After a while, it switches colors to signify greater values.

I'm contemplating some changes to the graphics, and possibly the point system in the future. It's mostly the stock setup right now, plus a few more titles on both ends.

We can investigate the system upon request. Its a bit time consuming, but can be done. Be specific in the report.

 

[Cruentus]

Why not just do away with it entirely. As I have said in the past, it sort of establishes a good old boy network of token power... seems like it would be a better place if we all just got equal 'rep point representation' and that was that.

So, you are suggesting "rep-point socialism"? ARE YOU A REP POINT COMMUNIST!?!

I kid...I kid... :CTF:

 

[loki09789]

So, you are suggesting "rep-point socialism"? ARE YOU A REP POINT COMMUNIST!?!

I kid...I kid... :CTF:

more of a rep point direct democrat proponent. You know, equal representation and all.

I refuse to name names though, Mr. McArthy dude.

 

[Brother John]

I see.
I'll just go on posting what I post.
Positive Points? I continue posting.
Negative Points? I continue posting.
Pretty much it.

Now, on to the politics of Rep points.
I think I'm more of a Rep-Libertarian. We should be free to give as many negative/positive rep-points as we wish as often as we wish without limitation!
I'm also against the redistribution of rep-points.


(help, my jokes have broken and I can't fix'm)
Your Brother
John

 

[Brother John]

We could set it up that way, but decided against it. Partially due to the retribution-wars I've seen on other boards.

If someone gets particularly nasty, let us know however. Anyone found abusing the system will be dealt with.

I see. Thanks for explaining Kaith!

BTW: Since I've got your ear (the owner/creator of MT) I'd like to tell you that I've really been enjoying MT a lot and appreciate it. Over all it's a very well done job.

Your Brother
John

PS: Those who think I'm sucking up to the head-honcho can bite me.
OR....just give me some negative points. :uhyeah:

 

[Brother John]

p.s. Bro-John...I hope you didn't mind my positive points I gave you, with my little quip to go with it! :uhyeah:

OK, just went and read your "quip".
You really have a way with words Paul. You moved me.
I wish I could print that page off and hang it in my Karate school, sort of as inspiration and also a witness to the greatness that is...
Your Brother
John

 

[Cruentus]

OK, just went and read your "quip".
You really have a way with words Paul. You moved me.
I wish I could print that page off and hang it in my Karate school, sort of as inspiration and also a witness to the greatness that is...
Your Brother
John

Oh shut up, brother john...just shut up.....you had me at hello. (whispers) You had me at he-llo.....(rolls in Bruce Springsting lyrics)

 

[7starmantis]

I haven't read this entire thread from start to finish so if this has been addressed I appologize, but it might be neat to be able to see a list of reputation points you have given others as well as seeing what you have received. I don't know if it is even possible with the software but might be kind of cool.

7sm

 

[Bob Hubbard]

Theres a modification that I'm researching that will let you see who you gave what to.

 

[jeffbeish]

lurk out, lurk in

 

[Flatlander]

Now I would like to add to my previous thought here. I think that it would add a little credibility to the system to make it necessary to submit a reason for adding or subtracting from someone's reputation. This comes after losing 12 points yesterday on one post, and I'm not really sure why. It seems to me that if someone has enough of an issue with a post to add/subtract credibility to/from a poster, they ought to have a reason. How can I improve if I don't understand what is wrong?

I am particularly disappointed at this event, as to deduduct 12 points from my reputation, that indicates to me this was a veteran of the board, whom should, by now, know how to justify their actions.:asian:

Thank You.

 

[Cruentus]

Now I would like to add to my previous thought here. I think that it would add a little credibility to the system to make it necessary to submit a reason for adding or subtracting from someone's reputation. This comes after losing 12 points yesterday on one post, and I'm not really sure why. It seems to me that if someone has enough of an issue with a post to add/subtract credibility to/from a poster, they ought to have a reason. How can I improve if I don't understand what is wrong?

I am particularly disappointed at this event, as to deduduct 12 points from my reputation, that indicates to me this was a veteran of the board, whom should, by now, know how to justify their actions.:asian:

Thank You.

Wow, dude. Which post? I haven't seen any posts by you yet that deserve negative reps! But perhaps I haven't seen em all. Point me too it, if you could?

 

[loki09789]

Now I would like to add to my previous thought here. I think that it would add a little credibility to the system to make it necessary to submit a reason for adding or subtracting from someone's reputation. This comes after losing 12 points yesterday on one post, and I'm not really sure why. It seems to me that if someone has enough of an issue with a post to add/subtract credibility to/from a poster, they ought to have a reason. How can I improve if I don't understand what is wrong?

I am particularly disappointed at this event, as to deduduct 12 points from my reputation, that indicates to me this was a veteran of the board, whom should, by now, know how to justify their actions.:asian:

Thank You.

This sort of 'internet good old boyism' is exactly why I really think it should either be done away with (because if it doesn't really mean anything it won't be missed) or people should only be able to influence each other for good or bad at a fixed rep point value regardless of seniority or time. That would seem more democratic to me.

Having an explanation is a good idea too.