I don't want to be a competitive fighter, I want to be a human killing machine. Which arts ?

[marques]

Hey guys. I do not have an interest i becoming a competitive fighter. I want to become one of the most lethal human beings walking the earth. Able to protect my family and others.
I want one day to be known as a walking killing machine.
Based on this info, What are the right arts for me to study ?
Thank you very much.

Well... nowadays there are weapons... but it is not my advice!
My advice is go to a psychiatrist, please!! Or just change your entire environment / neighbourhood...

 

[seasoned]

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[Touch Of Death]

On face value, nothing. You should be kept completely away from anything close to it, if your aim is as stated. But frankly, I don't think you have even begun to think about what you've actually asked… and is full of simple movie-influenced delusion and fantasy.



Ha, every time…



Not in Australia.



You asked a frankly ludicrous question, phrased it as fantasy warrior as you could, and you're surprised by the responses? Dude. Grow up.



I wouldn't. At all. It's the last thing I'd direct them to, as it's simply not a "cure" in the slightest… in fact, one line of thought has it that martial arts are more of an amplifier than anything else… good becomes better, bad becomes worse… so no, it's the last thing I'd recommend. Of course, the problem is identifying a sociopath when they walk in the door in the first place…



Lovely fantasy, but again, not realistic in the slightest. Again, the issue is identifying the sociopath in the first place… for that matter, how do you accurately recognise the wife-beater when they turn up in a suit and tie? The abusive parent when they walk in the door? The fact is that you can't. Obviously, should you become aware of it, it's a good idea to remove that person from your school… but you won't be able to stop them going somewhere else, for the record.

Oh, and "martial arts is like having a gun"? Ha! Not overtly…



Frankly son, you clearly don't understand how lunatic you came across (and, honestly, continue to).



Great. So what?



Okay… that's a fear you have… tell me, are you commonly associating with people who carry weapons and assault you? How much do you realistically expect to need such a specialised defensive skill? And what weapons do you think you'll need to defend against? What will be the most likely scenario? Is it an attack, or a threat? Do you understand the differences?



Then you really should have chosen better, as it implies a result, not a level of training… and a fantasy based one at that.



For one thing, no-one mentioned the term "psychopath"… they said "sociopath"… a bit different… for another, do you want a list of psychopaths (and sociopaths) who have families? Do you really think one precludes the other?



So… you want to be a "Human Killing Machine" (incidentally, that can be read two ways… a person who is a human embodiment of a killing machine, and someone who is a machine at killing humans… hmm), you want to be "known as the most lethal person on the planet"… but you would "never kill someone"???

Dude, can you see the issue here?

Lose the fantasy based rhetoric, you just look like a fool.



You're in Sydney, and you think this is all that's around you? Dude… I could point you in the direction of some arts that are far more seriously in line with what you've asked for… but frankly, you've failed completely at being even close to being suitable to be offered an introduction…



You really might want to look at your own posts, then.

So I should ask them if they sell cars? Do you know what a sociopath is? I didn't say psychopath.

 

[JowGaWolf]

Lovely fantasy, but again, not realistic in the slightest. Again, the issue is identifying the sociopath in the first place… for that matter, how do you accurately recognise the wife-beater when they turn up in a suit and tie? The abusive parent when they walk in the door? The fact is that you can't. Obviously, should you become aware of it, it's a good idea to remove that person from your school… but you won't be able to stop them going somewhere else, for the record.

Oh, and "martial arts is like having a gun"? Ha! Not overtly

Martial art instructors don't have to identify sociopaths, they only have to identify people with the wrong attitude and wrong assumptions about martial arts. I've seen my Sifu turn people away because their perception of what martial arts is was wrong. There are actually rules that my system follows that refers to what type of people we can teach the system to. It's the same rule that all of the Sifu follow. I've seen my Sifu turn people away.

Just like you didn't make any effort to tone down your statement about being the most "lethal human" people come to the school and say similar things and we turn them away.

I can't stop someone from going somewhere else to learn a martial art technique for the purpose of being cruel, but I can decide if I teach that person or not. Just like I can't stop a criminal from going somewhere else to get a gun, but I can choose not to sell a gun to someone who I think shouldn't have one.

 

[JowGaWolf]

My point is that your statements
"I want to become one of the most lethal human beings walking the earth." and "I want one day to be known as a walking killing machine." are so far from the truth on what Martial Arts is really about. These are the 2 things you'll probably never feel when taking a martial art.

 

[Touch Of Death]

My point is that your statements
"I want to become one of the most lethal human beings walking the earth." and "I want one day to be known as a walking killing machine." are so far from the truth on what Martial Arts is really about. These are the 2 things you'll probably never feel when taking a martial art.

I think the OP was being a little more tongue and cheek that you guys can handle.

 

[JowGaWolf]

I think the OP was being a little more tongue and cheek that you guys can handle.

if that's the case then it definitely when over my head. He should start another post to clarify.

 

[Touch Of Death]

if that's the case then it definitely when over my head. He should start another post to clarify.

I always joke with people that I can turn their child into a Killing machine. It's funny.

 

[Ironbear24]

I always joke with people that I can turn their child into a Killing machine. It's funny.

I got turned into a cuddle machine that can defend his own life and others.

 

[Tames D]

I think the OP was being a little more tongue and cheek that you guys can handle.

I agree. It's always fun to see this "Friendly Martial Arts Community" get carried away and do the famous 'pile on the newbie".

 

[drop bear]

I agree. It's always fun to see this "Friendly Martial Arts Community" get carried away and do the famous 'pile on the newbie".

At least we are not hung up on grammar and spelling this time.

 

[Touch Of Death]

At least we are not hung up on grammar and spelling this time.

Wow! That was a mess.

 

[Kenpoguy123]

You want to be know as a killing machine? Really well good luck with that maybe we'll see your name on the news for doing life in prison.

 

[Langenschwert]

I got turned into a cuddle machine that can defend his own life and others.

I'm also all about the cuddles.

The unfortunate thing about being a lethal human being is that you'd have to kill people to ascertain that, which is to be avoided if possible. Military applications aside, you'd never get a chance to find out. That would be a Good Thing (TM). Don't kill people, people are for living. ☺ Try not to hurt them either, it makes them sad.

Funny thing is, some of the most potentially lethal folks around are sport martial artists. I wouldn't throw down with a good collegiate wrestler if I could avoid it.

 

[Dirty Dog]

The unfortunate thing about being a lethal human being is that you'd have to kill people to ascertain that, which is to be avoided if possible.

That's really not true.
I've got a Glock 19 on my hip right now. I do not need to shoot someone to know I can kill someone with it.
I've got a Benchmade Autostryker in my pocket. I do not need to stab someone to know I can kill someone with it.
I've got a me sitting in front of this computer. I do not need to kill someone to know I can do so.

 

[mograph]

I don't think we're lethal until we've actually killed someone.
Otherwise, we're potentially lethal.

 

[Dirty Dog]

I don't think we're lethal until we've actually killed someone.
Otherwise, we're potentially lethal.

I prefer to stick with standard definitions:

1. sufficient to cause death.
   "a lethal cocktail of alcohol and pills"
   • harmful or destructive.
     "the Krakatoa eruption was the most lethal on record"
     synonyms: fatal, deadly, mortal, death-dealing, life-threatening, murderous, killing

 

[mograph]

I prefer to stick with standard definitions:

Ah -- I see. Capable of killing = lethal? Agreed.

 

[Langenschwert]

That's really not true.
I've got a Glock 19 on my hip right now. I do not need to shoot someone to know I can kill someone with it.
I've got a Benchmade Autostryker in my pocket. I do not need to stab someone to know I can kill someone with it.
I've got a me sitting in front of this computer. I do not need to kill someone to know I can do so.

Given the right tools and training, any of us could be physically capable of lethal action, but how many, when push comes to shove, could enact? Given historical rates of fire, not many, unless subjected to sufficient conditioning.

 

[Dirty Dog]

Given the right tools and training, any of us could be physically capable of lethal action, but how many, when push comes to shove, could enact? Given historical rates of fire, not many, unless subjected to sufficient conditioning.

Again, even though I have never killed anyone, I know I am psychologically capable. Mr Mugger didn't survive because I held back.
You do have to do an honest self evaluation, but your statement that you cannot know without actually killing is simply wrong.