This is why I always like to ask, "Are you the master, or are your style the master?" Your goal may not always be the goal of your style.
Hybrid Arts
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Now this guy is genuinely funny. Lecturing me while talking about blending in "new bits" to his "personal stuff".
I guess it is genuinely very difficult for some people to see how in a split second you can't be wired to pursue 2 goals, strategies, purposes, tactics or whatever other synonyms you guys want to switch up to for confusing the issue to argue about.
Hahahahaha. Dude, you interpret KFW's metaphors too? Are you two like "a thing"?
Oddly, in spite of your condescension, I never have that problem. I'm either going for a strike or for limb control as a primary goal. My art doesn't control that - I do. Your lack of comprehension and belligerent attitude is amusing.
Are you, like, an ***?
This is always why I like to ask, "is this forum full of masters"?
And apparently full of MMA fighters too. Who perfectly blend dissimilar arts seamlessly.
It's cool - I'm seeing who i can interact with and not, being newer to this forum. I guess maybe pretty similar to KFO before activity died down there, except for I keep seeing some people banned here post over there now. Matter of fact it could be these 2 characters here.
Interesting. Nobody has ever made it to my "ignore" list in one day. Well played!
I'm just saying that I don't even attempt to interpret and translate my own wife's metaphors. So you doing that for KFW, I'm just asking you if there is anything behind that? I mean if so I'll be extra cautious not to insult him when you are around.
Juany118
Senior Master
First the guy you just said was funny is actually a Sensei in a hybrid Japanese Martial Art. Second he makes it a personal practice to blend elements from other arts that make sense. As an example, the Master who is GM William Cheung's Representative in America showed some ideas @gpseymour liked here, he even saw the same ideas existing to an extent in the art he teaches.
Wing Chun and an art founded in Aikido sharing a similarity in the eyes of a Sensei? Since you put so much weight in Anerlich being a Sifu I hope you will show equal respect.
Thanks for confirming your troll identity! I didn't recognize you at first from KFO, but you are coming back to my recollection. I love "ignore" lists. Tools of the "ignore" ant.
Juany118
Senior Master
They are actually 2 different people to those who actually know the lay of the land around here and your response there has likely seen yourself added to more than a few "mental ignore" or "website based ignore" lists
From my perspective I don't know him from Adam - gpseymour. I saw 2 seperate posts from him that were thick and condescending. I confronted that. I do admit that to me his explaining someone else's metaphor condescendingly was obnoxious enough to me to ask about it, but by that time he had already blown up and put me on his ignore list. Condescendingly. With the word Interesting. While telling me I am being condescending.
Believe me, I am totally cool without that kind of interaction.
I do see he teaches Shorin Ryu karate, and aikido. He may have been tweaked by my aikido observations. Who knows. From the perspective of blended striking and grappling arts I don't really think he's got as much of a blend of the striking and grappling arts going on as he thinks he does. Neither do you doing kali standup grappling.
With respect to sifus and respect, people get what they earn including me. anerlich i've conversed with on forums over the course of about 3 bjj belts so I can vouch for his knowledge. Thats all.
So why don't you add me to yours as well? I don't respond to implied mental threats or fake "peer pressure" manipulation.
I speak the truth and my mind.
drop bear
Sr. Grandmaster
You are not really going to get hybridization if you dont understand there is going to be a lot of individual versions of it.
The idea that style A does not transition into style B is more on you than the system.
So if you have started with the idea that the system does not allow hybridization because it breaks some fundamental tennant. Then I dont think you can create a hybrid.
Also the hybrid may work for some people and not others just depending on individual strengths. and so not only will you have to move outside your systems tennants but also your instructors as well.
When I do these hybrid systems MMA, Boxing,Kickboxing,Jujitsu and so on. I am not a carbon copy of my instructors. I cant be and make the martial arts work for me as well as it should.
The idea that style A does not transition into style B is more on you than the system.
So if you have started with the idea that the system does not allow hybridization because it breaks some fundamental tennant. Then I dont think you can create a hybrid.
Also the hybrid may work for some people and not others just depending on individual strengths. and so not only will you have to move outside your systems tennants but also your instructors as well.
When I do these hybrid systems MMA, Boxing,Kickboxing,Jujitsu and so on. I am not a carbon copy of my instructors. I cant be and make the martial arts work for me as well as it should.
Juany118
Senior Master
So what you are saying is... "I will make accusations without adequate knowledge of the people involved because it's speaking the "truth and my mind." Well A. you spoke what amounts to a falsehood in terms of assuming two avatars were the same person and B. if doing something as uniformed as that is justified to yourself by simply saying "I was speaking my mind" well that's just sad. So this post added you to my list yes. Good on you.
Agree! Your
- boxing coach won't be able to teach you how to integrate wrestling into boxing.
- wrestling coach also won't be able to teach you how to integrate boxing into wrestling.
It's "YOU" who has to do that "integration" task.
No I am starting with the idea that when you are dealing with developing skill on the bridge, you cannot have a dual mindset, but a single fully committed mindset. It does not work dually pursuing hand fighting and striking in the clinch at the same time. Yes that does break a fundamental tenet but you are missing the point. You literally cannot grab someone's wrist at the same time you are striking them. You have to do one or the other. You have to have some mental reaction towards one or the other before that. The people on this thread that are telling us they do this all seamlessly are initiating either one or the other mentally well before any execution of technique occurs. This is not response reaction, which will be a reflex that bypasses mental initiation.
The limitation is at the tactical level and human brain execution level, not at a style vs. style level.
All of your talk of whether or not I understand hybridization (which I have been combining arts for years) is missing the point. If I strike in a clinch but sprawl to a choke from a takedown attempt I most certainly will execute that hybridization effectively without hesitation, seamlessly. I do.
Wrong. KFW and gpseymour were identified in my post as separate entities, I even quoted "these 2 characters" in that post.
So here, you falsely accused me of blending them together because I included quotes from 2 people that I responded to in the same response, and now because of that you say I'm "speaking a falsehood" and that is sad, and I am added to your ignore list.
Ignorance abounds.
I'm still going to speak the truth and my mind. And that still doesn't mean what you tried to twist it to mean.
actually, it's your MMA coach that will teach you how to integrate boxing into wrestling. The YOUs that I know trying to do it themselves usually get taken down timed on their jabs.
Who are the "YOU" that you are talking about?
Where did your (general YOU) MMA coach learn how to integrate the striking art and the grappling art? Did he learn from his MMA coach? Where did your MMA coach's MMA coach learn from?
MMA may only have less than 40 years history. In the past 40 years, many people had involved with that integration task.
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