How far will PETA go?

[Tgace]

Yeah, but if an armed assailant broke into your house and set it on fire as you knocked him out, would you run back in to get the dog or to drag out the criminal?

Neither...

 

[The Prof]

PETA people have nothing better to do with their lives, why? because they probably don't have one. I have never killed an animal in my life. I could never hunt and kill an animal. But I have caught many fish. While I don't kill animals, I don't mind others doing so. I let them take care of my carnivorous cravings. So, bring on the burgers, Bambi’s mom, Donald Duck’s dad and whatever. Roast em, fry em, bake em either way, they sure taste good.

Ok I want everyone to take note here. I'm gonna defend PETA by splitting hairs here.

While I disagree with a lot of the crap PETA does, I do agree with one of their primary philosophies, as I think we all can. That is this: Don't hurt animals. While I do occasionally hunt, and fish even less, when I do, I make sure that the animal is killed as quickly and cleanly as possible. While I think that some peta members are well intentioned, I also a lot of them are a bit on the loopy side. I think that these loopy ones are the ones calling the shots. While I think that they are goofy, I don't think that they really want people to get hurt. They do, however, support those who take more drastic action.

The organization that is more willing to hurt people and do damage is the Animal Liberation Front. Also, I think it is wrong to associate all pro lifers with the few crazies that are willing to kill. It is very interesting, though, how similar and different people can be at the same time isn't it?

Here's some good Peta for everyone.

 

[Makalakumu]

- no, we reintroduce wolves. :wink2:

This may be a thread hijack, but the issue of predator reintroduction is something that I think that looks good on paper, but has some serious issues. Feisty, that pic that MCaver posted is a predator. A dangerous predator.

In the west, in areas where wolves are not favored, mountain lions reign. I saw a mountain lion on a hunt in Montana once. My uncle's dogs treed the beast and we road our horses well clear. The cat that I saw was about as big as the one in the pic and watching is sit in the tree was like looking at one giant coiled muscle. I couldn't take my eyes off it and I could feel my horse tense. Then the thing leaped. Or, I should say, took off like a rocket. It cleared at least 50 feet with that one jump and disappeared so fast that it seemed like a dream.

Mountain lions hunt by hitting their prey from behind. That 50 foot leap, done by a 200 + lbs cat usually breaks the neck of anything it hits. If the prey is still struggling, the cat will literally tear it apart.

In Boulder Colorado, a town where a friend of mine lives, the environmentalists worked hard to establish "green" areas around the city. There are trails everywhere and it truly is a beautiful place to live. For a few years, it was great fun. Then, these "green" areas attracted wildlife, though and following the wildlife, came the mountain lions. Runners and bikers began to disappear and reappear as dismembered corpses. Some animals because so audacious as to grab children right in front of their parents...

Near my home, mountain lions are being reintroduced...or are reintroducing themselves. There are deer everywhere, so there is a lot of food. Yet, I think that people need to be clear about the dangers of some of these animals. Travel in pairs. Keep your kids close. Carry two guns in each group. Two horses were killed on a ranch this summer by mountain lions...They are here to stay.

Mountain Lions are not Wolves. Wolf attacks on humans are extremely rare. Yet, I am still wary. I was ice fishing lake trout on Lake Saganaga a few years ago and I watched a deer tear out onto the ice. A large pack of wolves was in hot pursuit. There wasn't much snow, so the deer out ran the pack, barely. So here I am, I've got three fish in front of me. I've got their scent all over. And there are twenty hungry, frustrated, wolves walking in my direction. I got up, kicked the fish in three directions away from me, and backed away - slipping the safety off my gun. The wolves grabbed the fish and disappeared. If they had wanted to take me, there would have been nothing I could do.

Our "nature" myths have been propagated for a long time now. "Walden" is not a "natural" forest.

upnorthkyosa

 

[PeachMonkey]

In Boulder Colorado, a town where a friend of mine lives, the environmentalists worked hard to establish "green" areas around the city. There are trails everywhere and it truly is a beautiful place to live. For a few years, it was great fun. Then, these "green" areas attracted wildlife, though and following the wildlife, came the mountain lions. Runners and bikers began to disappear and reappear as dismembered corpses. Some animals because so audacious as to grab children right in front of their parents...

I lived in Boulder and Colorado Springs, Colorado, for years, both places with mountain lions. Neither city is being stalked by vicious predators. Neither city is plagued by disappearances. Moreover, the mountain lions were there first, yes?

 

[Makalakumu]

I lived in Boulder and Colorado Springs, Colorado, for years, both places with mountain lions. Neither city is being stalked by vicious predators. Neither city is plagued by disappearances. Moreover, the mountain lions were there first, yes?

Yes, they were there first. And yes, the city is not being over run with lions. Yet, there have been reported incidences of attacks. The story of a high school runner comes to mind...

You can't pretend like this stuff doesn't happen. Are they common? That depends on your behavior.

Anyway, on a larger scale, the issue of mixing predators and humans remains. It may not always be the best option...and sometimes they (predators) do it of their own accord.

 

[modarnis]

I lived in Boulder and Colorado Springs, Colorado, for years, both places with mountain lions. Neither city is being stalked by vicious predators. Neither city is plagued by disappearances. Moreover, the mountain lions were there first, yes?

I don't remember him saying people were being snatched out of the city. If you read his post carefully, it seemed to be specific to designated green zones that were outside the city

 

[Makalakumu]

A case of hunter harassment...

Anti-Hunter Arrested for Protest- (01/13)
Maryland

A Maryland animal activist welcomed in the New Year by harassing people hunting near his property. He now faces a series of criminal charges including hunter harassment.

On January 1, Maryland Natural Resources Police (NRP) arrested Allan Pulliam, Mechanicsville, after he verbally confronted law abiding goose hunters on a neighboring property and drove back and forth along his property line while firing a .30-30 rifle. When NRP officials arrested Pulliam, they found marijuana in his vehicle.

Pulliam was charged with interfering with hunters, carrying a loaded weapon in a vehicle, reckless endangerment, disturbing the public peace, and possessing a controlled dangerous substance.

In Maryland, interfering with hunters and carrying a loaded weapon in a vehicle both carry a $1,500 fine.

Hunter harassment laws have been enacted in all 50 states. The U.S. Sportsmen’s Alliance drafted the legislation in the early 1980s which was used by a majority of states. In 1995, Nebraska became the 50th state to approve legislation making hunter harassment illegal.

If you ever experience hunter harassment, report the incident to your local conservation officer or any other law enforcement official. Be sure to give a description of the offender as well as a license plate number and vehicle description if possible.

 

[PeachMonkey]

I don't remember him saying people were being snatched out of the city. If you read his post carefully, it seemed to be specific to designated green zones that were outside the city

Having both read his post carefully for the syntax "around the city" and having lived in Boulder, where the green zones are in fact dispersed throughout the city, and having encountered mountain lions in both Boulder and Colorado Springs, I was comfortable with my previous interpretation, thanks.

 

[Makalakumu]

Having both read his post carefully for the syntax "around the city" and having lived in Boulder, where the green zones are in fact dispersed throughout the city, and having encountered mountain lions in both Boulder and Colorado Springs, I was comfortable with my previous interpretation, thanks.

Check out this thread...

http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21214

Question - Could you describe your encounter(s) with the lions?

 

[Feisty Mouse]

Yes, they were there first. And yes, the city is not being over run with lions. Yet, there have been reported incidences of attacks. The story of a high school runner comes to mind...

You can't pretend like this stuff doesn't happen. Are they common? That depends on your behavior.

Anyway, on a larger scale, the issue of mixing predators and humans remains. It may not always be the best option...and sometimes they (predators) do it of their own accord.

Well, mixing often happens because we've squeezed species out of what was once vast tacts of land and habitat.

I have no delusions about wolves being like big fluffy dogs, or mountain lions being happy kitties that will quietly leave people alone.

We have to consider the natural (or now, semi-natural) ecosystems we are trying to preserve as well.

Often reintroduction programs have not worked because people have decided to eliminate the reintroduced animals - which leads to fines and jail time, of course.

In some situations, I believe it is an intelligent thing to do.

 

[8253]

Hey, who done that? If your going to give me a bad point at least put your name on there. I still dont like PETA, and I still like steak.

 

[digitalronin]

Unfortunately the species they seek to preserve will become extint, but that in itself is part of the natural order. They may prolong a species stay, but eventually it will bite the dust. Even humanity's time on earth is limited, lets not get delusional and think we are going to be around forever.


peace