How effective is the MT knee strike?

[Oily Dragon]

The only thing I know is that the ball we played with was a big red rubber ball.

Well, war's on.

 

[Monkey Turned Wolf]

Insert solution for that flying knee. Too bad he didn't know it.
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I'm not sure if I'm missing something here, needing to see it in video or what. But that seems like the worst position to take a flying knee. That right hand is not in a strong enough position to handle it, and the center of balance isn't strong enough to deal with it, assuming he can slip or brace for the knee.

 

[Unkogami]

Elbow pressing will also work. ...

Only if you are pressing inward in anticipation of a reaction.

 

[drop bear]

I'm not sure if I'm missing something here, needing to see it in video or what. But that seems like the worst position to take a flying knee. That right hand is not in a strong enough position to handle it, and the center of balance isn't strong enough to deal with it, assuming he can slip or brace for the knee.

The power of the deep squat.

 

[drop bear]

You just said in post #81, "A big duck is unlikely to be successful anyway".

A duck under isn't a big duck.

 

[JowGaWolf]

I'm not sure if I'm missing something here, needing to see it in video or what. But that seems like the worst position to take a flying knee. That right hand is not in a strong enough position to handle it, and the center of balance isn't strong enough to deal with it, assuming he can slip or brace for the knee.

This is the only hint I'm giving until I can get the MMA guy at the gym to knee me. This is one takes some explaining because in the application provides a brace

The difficulty of seeing it through this is that Kung Fu Practices kung fu practices things big with the understanding that it gets smaller. The other issue is that the same movement may have 2 different applications that varies with stance height. Generally speaking, my rule is that a low stance is for grappling and a high stance is for striking. When I practice this technique it's always much higher than this and my arms are much closer together. The position that the technique puts me in is similar to what you see the pad holders in.

 

[JowGaWolf]

The power of the deep squat.

Follow this general rule
1. High stance is for striking
2. Low stance is for grappling
3. Mid stance splits the two allowing the person to quickly go in either direction.

Kung fu usually has multiple applications for a technique. Applications of a technique will sometimes vary depending on the height (level) of your stance.

 

[jayoliver00]

A duck under isn't a big duck.

I think I was confusing his post with someone else's, of dropping low and staying there (w/o taking the back for an MMA TD) or keep his arm up & trapped for MT work; this is certainly a good tech.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

A duck under isn't a big duck.

You can still get your opponent with a reverse head lock. It can be worse than double collar tie.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

In double collar tie, before (or during) your opponent knee strike, you can knee strike his leg too. Instead of waiting for your opponent to knee strike you, you knee strike him first.

 

[JowGaWolf]

A duck under isn't a big duck.

Yep there different types of height levels for ducking in general it follows the same rule as dodging. You only duck as much as needed. Overdoing it will often make matters worse, not better.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

Yep there different types of height levels for ducking in general it follows the same rule as dodging. You only duck as much as needed. Overdoing it will often make matters worse, not better.

It's trade off. If you make small move, your head is still under your opponent's head lock range. But if you make big move, you head may be out of his head lock range, but your head is next to your opponent's knee.

 

[JowGaWolf]

It's trade off.

Trade offs can be better or worse than the current situation. Doing a technique incorrect can make things worse too.

 

[Wing Woo Gar]

Well, war's on.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

Trade offs can be better or worse than the current situation. Doing a technique incorrect can make things worse too.

All techniques and counters have risk. As long as we understand the risk, we can always try to avoid it as much as possible.

For example, when you use your hand to push your opponent's arm and move your head under, your hand can control his elbow and prevent him from applying reverse head lock on you.

Your other free arm can also protect your head if it's too close to your opponent's knee.

Again, this is why to allow your opponent to have 2 free arms is a bad idea. There are just too many things that he can do to you.

 

[drop bear]

You can still get your opponent with a reverse head lock. It can be worse than double collar tie.

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You could defend that by hitting a deep squat.

 

[JowGaWolf]

You could defend that by hitting a deep squat.

At that point a lot of stuff beyond your stance has failed. You either are doing a demo, intentionally put yourself in that situation or screwed up skill wise while grappling.

If your grappling skills aren't greater than the person's ability to maintain that head lock then you are screwed. Maybe you can defend that with MMA while someone like Wang puts the squeeze on.
But I doubt it

Edit: sometimes there is no exit. Sometimes there is no escape. The most I can offer is to know and understand where the road dead ends with a cliff, then avoid being lead down that path. Either by mistake or by the will of your opponent, avoid the dead ends.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

You could defend that by hitting a deep squat.

But your opponent's body weight can land on top of your neck.

 

[JowGaWolf]

But your opponent's body weight can land on top of your neck.

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At this point, pretend to passout and hope for the best.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

At this point, pretend to passout and hope for the best.

This is a very bad position. Your hands can't reach anything. There is a lot of weight on your neck. Your opponent can fall to sleep on top of you until you are ...