Scary! And with limited ability to run, those are tough situations throughout that clip. Several of the attacks seem to amount to a scrum of assailants.
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sounds like a pretty good drill especially if you go at it full bore!interesting blog!
for my part, i actually prefer to be on the ground with a knife weilding attacker. this has more to do with my relative comfort on the ground rather than any sort of tactical advantage though. from a dominant top position it is relatively easy isolate the knife & attack from there. from the guard you can tie up their knife & attack their balance with your lower body. like i said though, it's relative to one's own skill set, & not a uniform approach i would recommend for everybody.
one drill i occasionally do with my students (they are sport/recreational grapplers but we touch on self-defense from time to time) is in the middle of a grappling match, a third person will throw a training knife on the mat to simulate an improvised weapon becoming available (broken bottle, knife that fell off the counter, whatever). they then have to decide whether to go for the blade or press their attack as is. it's a pretty interesting drill. sometimes we add mma gloves with striking, simulated eye gouges, bites, etc.
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If you're a better grappler, sure. I'll take my odds grappling against Joe Sixpack with no training outside of watching WWF. Not so much against a Machado blackbelt.Grappling is argued to be one of the most effective ways to defeat your opponent on a 1 on 1 basis.
First, I agree that it's a stupid idea to throw your knife, especially if it is your only weapon.Knifes usually are not balanced and when thrown have much chance of hitting their target.
In our Kuntao classes, and this may seem crazy a little, when a person is testing we use a real sharp blade.
I understand your thoughts on this. Of course, live slashing is done after many years in Kuntao. Stationary knife attacks (like robbery or hostage holding) is taught first...and done with a live blade. You can see some of this within this videoI understand wanting them to have some real experience and overcome their fears, but...I don't agree with this policy!
(Oh, and where do you buy your club's insurance? )
Are you saying it is not possible to end up on the ground with a knife weider? We cannot ignore the possibility completely here.Screw the knife... get to the guys brain to shut him off!!!! I no longer look at the knife as an extension of the hand/arm but as an extension of ones will. Its a toll of assassination, not a deuling utensil. You have to take away the ability for the brain to tell the arm to stab or slice you. If he is blind and asphyxiating then hes probably not going to be effective at knifing you. If his scrotum is torn and has a broken ankle or knee his intent to stab or slice is out the window. INJURY is the first priority securing the blade or any accomplices is a bi-product. "Going to the ground" is not an option... "staying on the ground is forbidden"... if you get knocked down you better be injuring them on the way down and on the way back up... always assuming there are multiple attackers will solidify that principle. Stay off the ground as much as possible but if you find your base compromised and you are on the ground you better be injuring your way back to your feet ready for his buddies to come running to help. Wrestling-grappling-disarming the knife is dangerous play and could get you seriously injured or killed by them or by yourself...
Injure them first. Injure them last. the blade itself is an inanimate object without a body behind it intent on using it.
Are you saying it is not possible to end up on the ground with a knife weider? We cannot ignore the possibility completely here.
Some of the best knife oriented knife fighting systems have some sort of ground practice with and against a knife for that "just in case" situation. Malaysion, Indonesian and Filipino styles cover this area.
In my past, i have had confrontations like many here have and never ended up on the ground with a weapon but it can occur. A few of us have ended up on the ground in class. Which means the possibility exists. Believe me, I hope it does not happen to me or anyone here but its good to practice just in case. Prevention is the best medicine. :asian:
Bro, you have my deepest respect. i like what you say and the way you train. We seem to be on the same page here.:asian:I respect all of you guys by the way and I dont troll from forum to forum picking and peddling. I come here becuase you guys are professional about everything and I can appreciate that.
Personally -- I'd discourage going to the ground if you're unarmed against a knife. You lose too much mobility, and you add the complication of simply falling on the blade against the ground.
If you're unarmed fighting someone with a knife -- I think you want as much mobility as you can get. Of course, I get a little unorthodox in some of my unarmed defense against weapons... I don't worry much about the weapon, and go straight to the user!
If you're both armed with a knife... I still don't like the idea of going down... too easy to get that blade caught in a useless position...
Of course, what I like doesn't have a bit to do with what might happen -- but if I have to grapple with a knife, I want to stay on my feet more than go down. Ideally -- I don't want to grapple at all with a knife... And if I go down -- you have to remember that an escape that pulls the limb out could leave you cut... You think two sweaty people are slick... blood's worse!
That IS grappling.-----------
If you do not have a knife your best self-defense is turning the other way and running. But if you cannot do this - because of your family, friend, etc. is in danger - I would not grapple nor try to throw a person with a knife.
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hold the attackers knife hand with both hands, if possible,
It's dirt common in Aikido, Silat, and FMA.you have to look at martial arts and think why theres really none who teach you to grappling with knifes
That may, in fact, be the outcome, nevertheless, the fact is that lots of martial arts teach various levels of grappling against a knife. Heck, Tomiki Aikido has a whole system of randori based around the practice; Tanto Randori.and my conclution is beacuse you would be dead.
Works great... when it works.The knife or sharp object means nothing with out a driving force behind it intent on making hamburger out of you or someone else...
The snap on tool is not the focus... the driving force is the focus which is the brain and the body... If his brain is too busy responding to the lack of air from a crushed trachea the knife becomes useless... if the brain is too busy reacting to a severed optical nerve after an eyeball is popped out then the knife is useless... if the brain is too busy responding to a ruptured testicle then again the tool is useless.... a broken kneck or spine and so on and so forth one after another after another until one is satisfied....
the focus is effecting trauma on whats really dangerous... assume you are gonna get cut anyway but intent on getting to that core and shutting it down... that ruthless determination to act and force throught the threat or threats until they cease to exists.... regardless of whats at stake... if you concentrate on the blade and all the mysticism it harbors then you may very well meet with it as you feared and find yourself cold and lonely as your life juices flood the pavement...