GM Wu Tunan Disciple M.Lilian

[windwalker099]

An interesting example of fast Taiji expression,
from GM Wu Tunan’s disciple, M. Lilian

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[Xue Sheng]

That's Wu Taijiquan?

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

I like training Taiji with fast speed. It makes me feel young. Who said that old people have to move slow. It's nice to see some effective kick/punch in Taiji solo form training.

 

[windwalker099]

That's Wu Taijiquan?

From my reading of his Taiji, Wu Tunan started in Wu-style, but developed something softer, more internal, deeply focused on emptiness, intention, and qi. It’s called Wu Taiji, but it’s very much his own.

He was known for his age, and for what some might call high-level internal skill.

 

[isshinryuronin]

From my reading of his Taiji, Wu Tunan started in Wu-style, but developed something softer, more internal, deeply focused on emptiness, intention, and qi. It’s called Wu Taiji, but it’s very much his own.

He was known for his age, and for what some might call high-level internal skill.

The people in this clip are a great endorsement for taiji. They exude vitality and love of life and having fun. Great that the children see this and while likely have little comprehension of what they're watching, one can see they're into it. "What? Old people can move like that?" No walkers for that bunch. That's TMA.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

"What? Old people can move like that?" No walkers for that bunch. That's TMA.

It's so funny that in US, only young guys grow beard. Old guys don't grow beard at all. Our current vice-president (he is not old) grows beard. Our current president and previous president don't grow beard.

I don't like old Chinese grow beard. You are already old. Why do you want to look even older. Both of my MA teachers didn't grow beard at all.

 

[Same Trick]

Some good healthy reasons for martial arts beard -

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[Same Trick]

Wu Tunan learned both Wu and Yang tjq.
However about fast taiji form regarding those styles there really aren’t any such set form, any such fast forms seen today are recent creations and in my mind a wrong thing.
In Yang/Wu any fast method should spontaneously grow from the authentic slow and even phased form, it’s an individual somewhat spirited spontaneous expression that spring forth and it may do so differently from time to time - it’s never a set fast form

 

[Teapot]

He was known for his age, and for what some might call high-level internal skill.

Didn't he lie about his age to pretend to be older than he is?

And by extension, a lot of his other claims would also have to be lies.

Apparently, the text on the left side says "中華民國十七年十月" which results in the year 1928. And this is for a documented 26-year-old Wu Tunan.

 

[Xue Sheng]

Wu Tunan learned both Wu and Yang tjq.
However about fast taiji form regarding those styles there really aren’t any such set form, any such fast forms seen today are recent creations and in my mind a wrong thing.
In Yang/Wu any fast method should spontaneously grow from the authentic slow and even phased form, it’s an individual somewhat spirited spontaneous expression that spring forth and it may do so differently from time to time - it’s never a set fast form

Define recent.
Yang Chengfu 1883 - 1936
Tung Ying Chieh 1898 - 1961

There are 2 fast sets from Tung Ying Chieh.
1) comes from discussions Tung Ying Chieh was having with Yang Chengfu. Yang Chengfu wanted a fajin set, and they were working on it. However Yang Chengfu died before it was finished. So Tung Ying Chieh finished it and called it the Yang Fast Form.
2) Tung Ying Cheih also created a second fast form based on his Wu/Hao and Yang style background. This Became the Tung Fast Form

 

[windwalker099]

Didn't he lie about his age to pretend to be older than he is?

And by extension, a lot of his other claims would also have to be lies.

History always interesting

The famed Wu Tunan (also known as the Northern Star of Taijiquan) was in charge. A discussion came up, with regards to categorization of styles,leading to a great deal of controversy as to where Chen Style Taijiquan belonged. Some suggested that it belonged to the External Division. At the time, the slow and gentle nature of Yang style Taijiquan was considered the standard of Taijiquan. What Chen Fake practiced certainly did not fall fall into this category.

Wu Tunan was respected for his ability. People who encountered him spoke about his internal quality,
not just the stories around him.

As with many things in China, especially from that era, the facts aren’t always clear. Historical records can be vague, stories often shaped by reputation, politics, or legacy, building.

It’s possible parts of his biography were stretched.
Not interested in why or what,

This thread not about it

 

[windwalker099]

Wu Tunan learned both Wu and Yang tjq.
However about fast taiji form regarding those styles there really aren’t any such set form, any such fast forms seen today are recent creations and in my mind a wrong thing.
In Yang/Wu any fast method should spontaneously grow from the authentic slow and even phased form, it’s an individual somewhat spirited spontaneous expression that spring forth and it may do so differently from time to time - it’s never a set fast form

Agree,

My exposure to Taiji fast sets was through the Tung/Dong Taiji line, part of my own Taiji journey.

Never quite understood the need for them. The long form, like any form, a method of training. Over time, the focus seems to have shifted, with the sets themselves often becoming more important than the demonstrable skills they were originally meant to cultivate, regardless of whether they’re practiced fast or slow.
Having said this, I do find them interesting to watch, appreciate the skill in practice..

In my teacher’s group, how one played the form varied depending on when they trained with him, shaped by each individual's level of skill. There was no emphasis on fast forms in fact, quite the opposite. The slower the practice, the more it reflected depth and refinement.

They could move quite fast when needed.

For some the "fast" becomes and end unto itself, more important then the theory behind the skills they’re meant to develop.