Full Body Scanners Violate Child Porn Laws

[Bob Hubbard]

Full Body Scanners Violate Child Porn Laws on Friday January 08, @01:33AM

gandhi_2 writes "The Guardian has a story about an ongoing legal battle over the use of full body scanners in the UK. The Protection of Children Act 1978, includes provisions in which it is illegal to create an indecent image or a "pseudo-image" of a child....which a full body scanner does." - Slashdot

 

[Bob Hubbard]

Hmm.... now that's a quandary. What say we bet on them hurrying up and writing an exemption in to law, a poorly written and ill thought one that will be abused? What do you think the chances are that in the near future some governement screener type will be busted as a kiddie-perv?

 

[Carol]

When I had to work my "survival job" for the bomb detection company, our technology utilized a modified CT scan to detect threats in baggage without using the backscatter methods our competition used that make a person look naked. At the time, the principal engineers were diligently trying to adapt a design to be used on people when the backscatter machines were first tested, 2002 or 2003...I forget exactly when.

When I heard that the first commercial airport where our competition tested the backscatter machines on was Orlando, I just about blew a gasket. If you have a machine that makes people look naked, why on earth are you testing it out at an airport that has more YOUNG CHILDREN than any other?

 

[Bob Hubbard]

Because, just like it's the TSA's right to pull your shirt up and squeeze your breasts in public to make sure they aren't bombs, it's their right to make sure that little Tommy's really tugging on his penis, not pulling a discretely concealed pin out of a butt grenade.

 

[MJS]

Full Body Scanners Violate Child Porn Laws on Friday January 08, @01:33AM

gandhi_2 writes "The Guardian has a story about an ongoing legal battle over the use of full body scanners in the UK. The Protection of Children Act 1978, includes provisions in which it is illegal to create an indecent image or a "pseudo-image" of a child....which a full body scanner does." - Slashdot

Sigh...what people won't think of next. I mean, this is no more child porn than it would be adult porn, when an adult walks thru the machine. Once again, damned if you do, damned if you dont. Are the imagines stored in a computer somehow, after the person walks thru? If they are, and the screener decides to get off on the shots later on, well, sure, that could be an issue, but really....have the screeners, people *****. Dont have them and something happens, people *****. Gotta love it.

 

[Makalakumu]

The problem is that this is the equivalent of a strip search. It's a huge violation of privacy and an act of submission. Think of all the despots that used nakedness to demoralize their citizens...

 

[Nolerama]

Is there a watchdog group for the TSA?

Is there a protest group against the TSA?

 

[Bruno@MT]

This is insane.

a) airport security don't need all this crap (as proven by the iraelis who seem to get by without) and it doesn't even work if they put stuff in their carry on. or any other of a dozen scenarios.
b) anyone thinking he needs to see pics of my daughters naked will eat his dinner through a straw.

 

[MA-Caver]

Is there a watchdog group for the TSA?

Is there a protest group against the TSA?

:lfao: .... no :shrug:

 

[chaos1551]

Again, moderate security and effective intelligence will eliminate the need for such intrusive devices. The body scanner seems somehow lazy to me.

 

[Andy Moynihan]

"Uncle Andy, where were you the day the airline industry went belly up?"

"Well, Nate, I was on my way making my final move down here to TX to live near you and your mom and dad, I was about the 2nd day into my 2 day drive down when I heard....."

 

[Bob Hubbard]

Interesting how much detail they can pick up with this......
http://www.infowars.com/inverted-body-scanner-image-shows-naked-body-in-full-living-color/

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/120951

 

[Carol]

Are the imagines stored in a computer somehow, after the person walks thru?

Absolutely. EDS systems are simply modified biomedical devices. They are controlled by a computer that runs Windows XP, just like the computers that most of us are probably using now. The hard drive stores the threat detection algorithms used to determine if threats are present as well to stored composite images. There are network ports to put the system on a public or private network, communication ports to hook up a printer and video outputs to hook up a monitor.

These monitors are generally away from the general public, but they are not obscured from view. Depending on crowds in the airport and the real estate available for security, the public may or may not be in a position where they have a relatively easy view of the monitors, which means a person may or may not be in a position where they can capture an image (such as a photograph) from a camera, video recorder, cell phone camera, etc.

Since CT scans don't incorporate backscatter detection, they do not produce the "naked" imagery that the backscatter machines do. They can also detect a wider variety of threats than the backscatter images.

However, I think it is simpler (and probably cheaper) to put a human through a backscatter scan so currently the CT scans are relegated to baggage/cargo screens.

 

[Bob Hubbard]

Will everybody be scanned, or only certain individuals?

"This screening option is completely voluntary to all passengers."

Can you decline a full-body scan?

Yes, for now, but you must submit to a full body pat-down.

http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/articles/faq-body-scanners
As of Jan 6th 2010

Dear TSA Screener Brown Shirt Goon,
Please warm your hands before you do the reach around. Cuz you ain't scanning me. I'm sure the Thomas Jefferson image, and list of the Bill of Rights on my tee shirt will give you all the "probable cause" to "select" me for "Special Treatment" as will my answer of "don't/nothing/fun" if you ask me who I work for, how much I make, and reason for flying. We know that any American citizen who believes he has any rights and dares mention it is probably a terrorist and you , like the guards at certain camps are just "doing your job". Perhaps you can indicate where your "not for public release, but all over the internet Top Sekret documents say it's any of your business? No, then to quote the late and great George Carlin I say unto you, blow me!
Sincerely,
Someone who still thinks we have rights in this country and won't submit to you.

 

[d1jinx]

I'm not gonna wipe that day... hope they see that!:erg:

 

[Bob Hubbard]

But Carol, the TSA answered that:


Do they save the scanned images?

"There is no storage capability. No cameras, cellular telephones, or any device capable of capturing an image is permitted in the remotely-located resolution room. Use of such a device is a terminable offense."

Now, they wouldn't lie now would they? I mean, there have been no cases of abuse by them to date, so why should we worry? /sarcasm

 

[d1jinx]

http://travel.aol.com/travel-ideas/articles/faq-body-scanners
As of Jan 6th 2010

Dear TSA Screener Brown Shirt Goon,
Please warm your hands before you do the reach around. Cuz you ain't scanning me. I'm sure the Thomas Jefferson image, and list of the Bill of Rights on my tee shirt will give you all the "probable cause" to "select" me for "Special Treatment" as will my answer of "don't/nothing/fun" if you ask me who I work for, how much I make, and reason for flying. We know that any American citizen who believes he has any rights and dares mention it is probably a terrorist and you , like the guards at certain camps are just "doing your job". Perhaps you can indicate where your "not for public release, but all over the internet Top Sekret documents say it's any of your business? No, then to quote the late and great George Carlin I say unto you, blow me!
Sincerely,
Someone who still thinks we have rights in this country and won't submit to you.

That is of course you dont have a strong smell of B.O., a beard, and wrap a towel around your head..... then we wont dare ask you to do anything because that would be racial profiling and in this super sensitive era, we wont dare stereotype the "types" of people who are creating all the problem in the first place and actually do something about it.... no lets keep pussyfooting around and penalize the rest of the country the way we do in every other aspect of rules and laws.

PROTECT THE CRIMINAL.... screw the innocent.

 

[Bob Hubbard]

I'll be traveling dressed like old "Ben" Kenobi....

 

[Rich Parsons]

This is insane.

a) airport security don't need all this crap (as proven by the iraelis who seem to get by without) and it doesn't even work if they put stuff in their carry on. or any other of a dozen scenarios.
b) anyone thinking he needs to see pics of my daughters naked will eat his dinner through a straw.

I read an articel today and still looking for it again, but here are a couple more for general content:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,582014,00.html

http://www.clevelandjewishnews.com/...ation_and_world/doc4b4659f84dc4b557912347.txt


Now the articel I read though talked about the PROFILING that is done by the Israeli's. Jewis Israeli's get through faster. All others are targeted more and spend more time and also get every article of clothing unpacked and investigated. All liquids are checked and rechecked.

The point of the article was that it would not be good for time and delay's would become even greater. The execution would be much more difficult given the number fo airports over 400 large airports in US verus a dozen or so from Israel. (* their numbers *)

Many people would complain it would nto be PC or would be a violation of thier civil rights here in the USA.

That being said, as I get profiled all the time, I think they should just admit it and move on and make everyone suffer. This way it would either stop completely or it would become accepted.

Also the Israeli's do not take prisoners so to say when they take people. There are reprisals even if they are not sanctioned officaly. Personally, I have no proof, but I really understand this idea. If you do not like me and you come to me and try to kill,hurt me and mine, then I will make sure you do not get a second chance.

But the other half of me wonders about all that has already been taken away of the US Constitution and wonders if that is not the end and the loss of it completely?

But that is a different topic. Sorry.

 

[Bob Hubbard]

Direct from the TSA

What are my Options?

• These technologies are optional for all passengers.
• Passengers who do not wish to utilize this screening receive an equal level of screening and undergo a pat-down procedure.

http://www.tsa.gov/approach/tech/imaging_technology.shtm