flashlight moves?

[still learning]

Hello, In our system we practice with a six inch stick (dowel), for striking and locks. Which is similar to using a six inch flashlight (mags- double AA..size.)

Anything can be use in place of the six inch stick...flashlights,short pipe,handles, and so on....?

So many things can be use for weapons....there is no limits of what you can train with...............one must open there mind!

........................I carry a 6 cell mag flashight with "C" size batteries, easlier to handle then the "D" size flashight, under my truck seat.

Just remember if you carry a baseball bat in your car ...... make sure you have a baseball glove and ball too! In case you search for weapons on you. The laws in your state could make this a deadly weapon? .....Aloha

 

[Bob Hubbard]

My thinking would be to use a small light like a pocket stick or kubaton, and a larger light either like a mace, or small club. The really large mags, maybe like a short stick.

 

[bushidomartialarts]

while modifying your technique for flashlight, don't forget to use the bright end -- blind 'em, them whomp 'em.

 

[Drac]

while modifying your technique for flashlight, don't forget to use the bright end -- blind 'em, them whomp 'em.

Wahhhh..I wanted to say that...

 

[Drac]

Hello, In our system we practice with a six inch stick (dowel), for striking and locks. Which is similar to using a six inch flashlight (mags- double AA..size.)

Anything can be use in place of the six inch stick...flashlights,short pipe,handles, and so on....?

So many things can be use for weapons....there is no limits of what you can train with...............one must open there mind!

........................I carry a 6 cell mag flashight with "C" size batteries, easlier to handle then the "D" size flashight, under my truck seat.

Just remember if you carry a baseball bat in your car ...... make sure you have a baseball glove and ball too! In case you search for weapons on you. The laws in your state could make this a deadly weapon? .....Aloha

That's whay I like Dan-Bong training..The short wooden stick is about the size of the flashlight I carry on duty..

 

[Phil Elmore]

This is the topic of my latest book, Flashlight Fighting, available imminently from Paladin Press.

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[scottcatchot]

That's whay I like Dan-Bong training..The short wooden stick is about the size of the flashlight I carry on duty..

I am not familiar with Dan-Bong, could you elaborate a little?

 

[kickcatcher]

This is the topic of my latest book, Flashlight Fighting, available imminently from Paladin Press.

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Interesting book Phil, where did you learn these moves?


My own thoughts are that whilst a mag light can be used as a club without need for specialist training, and as an assistance to see who you are about to shoot if you are firearm equiped, it is not a psarticularly relevant weapon for self-defence, particularly the small pocket lights.

Scenario: Someone attacks you blind side.
Response: Fumble in pocket for totrch, turn it on, point at attacker and/or attempt to use it as an impact weapon.
Result: Too slow. Not in keeping with common sense.

Scenario: Confrontation
Response: Take light out of pocket and shine it in their eyes
Result: Situation esculated

Scenario: Confrontation where you are being threatened with a gun/knife
Response: Take light out of pocket....
Result: You have made it more likely that they will use the weapon.

etc

 

[Phil Elmore]

Creating hypothetical scenarios based on your own inabilities and suppositions is not a relevant evaluation of any methodology.

 

[kickcatcher]

Creating hypothetical scenarios based on your own inabilities and suppositions is not a relevant evaluation of any methodology.

That sounds like an attempt at a cutting personal attack that does Phil. How about answering my query as to where you learned the flashlight-fu moves you are selling in your book?

 

[Edmund BlackAdder]

The ad copy says "according to palm stick principals." One might then logically think that these are palm stick techniques, done with a similarly sized small flash light. I've done a small amount of playing around with some pocket stick techniques, and they translate very well to a small "maglite".

 

[Andrew Green]

This is the topic of my latest book, Flashlight Fighting, available imminently from Paladin Press.

Ad Sheet from This Month's Soldier of Fortune

So what can you tell us about where these methods come from, how they've been tested and if there is any record of there use in a live environment?

 

[Phil Elmore]

The ad copy says "according to palm stick principals." One might then logically think that these are palm stick techniques, done with a similarly sized small flash light. I've done a small amount of playing around with some pocket stick techniques, and they translate very well to a small "maglite".

They do indeed. The book includes an appendix on larger maglites, too, though this is not the focus of the text. (I keep one of the multi-D-cell models in brackets under my desk.)

http://themartialist.com/images/4dmaglite10.jpg

 

[shesulsa]

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[kickcatcher]

Nothing inpolite about asking Phil where he learned the flashlight techniques he's selling.

 

[MJS]

Nothing inpolite about asking Phil where he learned the flashlight techniques he's selling.

http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26480

Please take some time to read through the general posting rules of this forum. The nature of the replies appears to be going against the grain of the rules.

Mike

 

[MSUTKD]

What we need in martial arts is a peer review system, like we have in academia. If I want to publish a scientific document it must adhere to academic standards and have some support from my peers in the field. Those peers did not just write PhD next to their names, they went though an accepted process to achieve this status. I know that it will not happen but I can dream. In today’s world if you are a good writer you can pawn off anything to anyone. An example: Dr. Phil (TV) selling us an exercise book. He is very out of shape yet has a book on fitness. I am sure he hired a writer but still I think you get the idea. It is sad when we accept hypocrisy and mediocrity with open arms. I encourage all training to use critical thinking and have the courage to do your best. Question what you see and do not support those who do not lead from the front. Would you go to a doctor who learned on the internet? No? Why not?

ron

 

[terryl965]

MSUTKD every single MA'er I know have there beliefs in there particular field of MA, most of them could not agree with a single takedown move let alone agree how a book should be written. I see no problem with someone writing a book on what they feel is the best way of doing things maybe it will work for them and not for me, does it make it bad, no not really just kinda useless for me thats all. I have read so many booksand seen so many techniques over forty years alot of it full of crap for me but to some it is there Bible.

I wish we as Ma'er could look pass one ego's and open our minds to the possibilities that are out there.
Terry

 

[Edmund BlackAdder]

What we need in martial arts is a peer review system, like we have in academia. If I want to publish a scientific document it must adhere to academic standards and have some support from my peers in the field. Those peers did not just write PhD next to their names, they went though an accepted process to achieve this status. I know that it will not happen but I can dream. In today’s world if you are a good writer you can pawn off anything to anyone. An example: Dr. Phil (TV) selling us an exercise book. He is very out of shape yet has a book on fitness. I am sure he hired a writer but still I think you get the idea. It is sad when we accept hypocrisy and mediocrity with open arms. I encourage all training to use critical thinking and have the courage to do your best. Question what you see and do not support those who do not lead from the front. Would you go to a doctor who learned on the internet? No? Why not?

ron

A peer review program would be proper, however, one must also look at the nature and quality of those on the panel. The questions asked may be valid, however the questioner may not be. In this example, you have a legitimate question "What did you base these on?" being asked initially by someone who apparently has a long history of antagonism towards the questioned, even having gone so far as to create some rather childish cartoons about the man.

So I don't see it as a fair question in this instance.

Equally offensive is the fact that this topic is about what one can do with the device, yet has been now polluted by first an obnoxious self serving advertisement, and now risks a digression into fraud busting. Neither of which is cricket, mate.

 

[kickcatcher]

being asked initially by someone who apparently has a long history of antagonism towards the questioned, even having gone so far as to create some rather childish cartoons about the man.

Anyone interested in seeing the cartoons and similar material please just PM me.