Feels impossible

[Goldleaf]

The gym that I go to has a boxing class. They do all of the boxing drills and mit work but they don't spar unless they ask the person who is running the class to spar. Then they pay a separate fee for sparring. They refer to it as personal training and not part of the actual boxing class. If people want more than the boxing class, then it's extra. The extra part is hourly based, which could be expensive to get in enough sparring time.


wow only 2 hours a week? Is iit one hour for training and one hour for sparring? There must not be a lot of interest for martial arts in that area.

Yes, just 2 times a week dutch drills Technique classes. Once a week it doesn't because no interest. Indeed, a lot of people like hockey/football and other stuff. Small numbers like martial arts unfortunately.

 

[isshinryuronin]

It feels like very exhausting and it feels like i learned a tiny little and there is 99% ahead. It feels like an depression. Can someone relate or had this and why is this so?

A big part of the time you've spent learning is likely on just a few fundamentals. Without that first 10% getting drilled into you, the other 90% will be worthless. There is no shortcut. Time on the bag will allow you to feel how some of those fundamentals work and the conditioning it provides is needed to prepare you for more intensive training later. Many people train just with conditioning as their main goal, but if you wish to apply this to combat, perhaps that gym is not the best place for you. I train 4 hours/wk and I'm 73. Give it another 5 months and evaluate if you're getting what you want. If not, move on. Regardless, the time you are spending now is not wasted.

 

[Goldleaf]

A big part of the time you've spent learning is likely on just a few fundamentals. Without that first 10% getting drilled into you, the other 90% will be worthless. There is no shortcut. Time on the bag will allow you to feel how some of those fundamentals work and the conditioning it provides is needed to prepare you for more intensive training later. Many people train just with conditioning as their main goal, but if you wish to apply this to combat, perhaps that gym is not the best place for you. I train 4 hours/wk and I'm 73. Give it another 5 months and evaluate if you're getting what you want. If not, move on. Regardless, the time you are spending now is not wasted.

Thanks, you good going and keep it up. How long are you Training?

Honestly i am lately also thinking that it is not maybe the best gym. At least once a week sparring is important and there is gym who offers that.

 

[Goldleaf]

Hi, so i am training exactly 7 months today.
I am going consistent 4 days a week.
4-5 sessions on those 4 days.
Since 3 October 1 Dutch kickboxing techniqal drill.

Sparring was very less, maybe 15 minutes a month.. And i don't if it is my progress or it is because i like it. In my mind came without sparring there is nothing like real live fight experience.

I asked my assistent coach about brother i want to spar more but is there any possibility because.

He said that they do sparring on Thursday and Friday, but is for advanced fighters who compete also, but i am welcome.

I know i should say to them that i am newbee and they will slow their pace... But is it an good idea to start with?

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

4 sessions a week and each session of 50 minutes.

Every day I spend more that 30 minutes just for warm up and stretching.

One guy wanted to learn how to fight, we met 4 days a week, 2 hours each session. When he came, we put gloves on and full contact sparring for 2 hours. We did that for 8 months totally.

Sparring was very less, maybe 15 minutes a month..

You need to form your own "fighting club". How to create your own fighting club? You can go to boxing gym, MMA gym, Karate class, ... and find your fighting club members.

I had a fighting club of 5 guys maximum in one time. We spar 15 rounds daily. If you can spar 15 rounds daily, in 3 years, you will accumulate a lot of fighting experience.

15 x 365 x 3 = 16,425 rounds.

Don't depend on your gym, or your instructor, your sparring experience accumulation should be developed outside of your regular class.

When I was in my high school MA class, we sparred after the class was over and after the teacher left.

 

[Goldleaf]

There is no Gym here who has more then 60 minutes session include everything. The session i am talking about is excluded of stretching and warming up of 10 minutes.

I am slowly building. Now on Wednesday i take 2 sessions. 1 technique and then one heavy bag.
My plan is take double session on at least 2 days a week. And other 2 single session.

I mean how much is enough? Training 8 hours a day or week is i think something for people who want to compete on amateur level?

I do 5 sessions of 50 minutes heavy bag/technique drills.
50 minutes stretching a week.
20 minutes strength.
20 minutes core training.
Now, i will replace 50 minutes sparring for 1 session of heavy bag

I am 40 and building slowly. It feels already sometimes a lot.

The way u describe will cost me a lot money? Who will sparr with me every day for an hour or more?
Here i have to pay €35 to 50 euro an hour if i want private training.
Does this mean i am not on the right track?

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

I know i Progressed a little and maybe it is now plateau.

You need to develop your own "entering strategy". One old master told me that he had used the same entering strategy all his life and never changed. If you have repeated your entering strategy 10,000 times, you will have more experience in that area than anybody else. That will be your advantage.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

The way u describe will cost me a lot money? Who will sparr with me every day for an hour or more?
Here i have to pay €35 to 50 euro an hour if i want private training.
Does this mean i am not on the right track?

You should not have to spend any money to establish your fighting club. Just find people who love to fight. There are a lot of those people out there. It's not that difficult to find if you try hard enough. I'm one of those crazy guys. When I see fists flying toward my face, I feel happy.

For example, one time I walked on the beach. I saw a guy did some boxing drills. I asked him if he would like to joint in my fighting club. Sometime people may say yes. Sometime people may say no. It won't hurt to ask.

If a stranger doesn't have trust on you, you can always tell the person that he can play 100% offense, and you will only play 100% defense. That's a good way to establish mutual trust.

 

[Goldleaf]

Thanks, i was by the way thinking to find ways to find people who wants to sparr with me.
Just like online advertising local or something like that. But is not that easy as i did see this kind of things

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

to find people who wants to sparr with me.

Try this way. Ask a guy, "Can you throw 20 punches at me and see if I can block all your punches?" Since you have said that you will play 100% defense, there will be no risk for that person. After you and that person have known each other better; you can then change the sparring rule.

 

[Goldleaf]

That is a good plan. I can guard my hands and chin tucked. Defending is for me getting out of the range. Defending other ways is really difficult.

I will keep u guys updated like i started the thread 2 months earlier and i did update now

 

[HighKick]

Hi,

Training 5 and half months Kickboxing. 4 sessions a week and each session of 50 minutes.

Once a week dutch drills with partner and 3 times a week heavy bag drills.

I know i Progressed a little and maybe it is now plateau.

But just want to ask how people think here.

I feel like it is very difficult and complicated at this point.

It feels like very exhausting and it feels like i learned a tiny little and there is 99% ahead. It feels like an depression. Can someone relate or had this and why is this so?

You are at the stage where it is very common to feel a plateau or wall. You know just enough to know there is a lot more ahead of you. Try to see it as a Very good thing because believe me, it is.
Keep at it and work with higher belts as much as possible. Think about the things you need to work on, pick one or two out and focus on them, committing extra time to them. Remember, it is a marathon not a sprint.

 

[Goldleaf]

You are at the stage where it is very common to feel a plateau or wall. You know just enough to know there is a lot more ahead of you. Try to see it as a Very good thing because believe me, it is.
Keep at it and work with higher belts as much as possible. Think about the things you need to work on, pick one or two out and focus on them, committing extra time to them. Remember, it is a marathon not a sprint.

Remember it is a marathon it is a sprint ... I had for years for some other thing and my sign was noracebutmarathon. Very nice advis and uplifting.

With every inch of progress i have the feeling that then i was very bad and now better. Which is true.

Btw i was stuck for months to 27 push ups and 28th was failure and today i did 30 and 31st was faulure. I tried once to 2 times a week till muscle failure. That feeling i had was like maybe i am now into my next plateau.