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Has anyone trained under either of these 2 teachers (Elmond Leung in Burlingame CA and Ben Der in San Jose CA)?
 
Dominic82555 said:
Has anyone trained under either of these 2 teachers (Elmond Leung in Burlingame CA and Ben Der in San Jose CA)?
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I met Elmond once about 35 years ago, I think. Back then he was a straight up Leung Ting guy (as was I at the time). He's been on his own for a long time and with a lifetime in Wing Tsun/Wing Chun he should have a world of knowlege. If you have a chance to train with him, please post back and let us know what you thought!
 
But on the other hand...
Ben Der is long time student/training partner of Kenneth Cheung. I have had the opportunity to workout with several of Ken Cheung students/grandstudents and I have always been very impressed by their attention to detail, expressions of power, live training methods.
Of the lineages I've trained with, probably my favorite. Except for mine, of course :cool:

So if you're looking for a new school, you owe it to yourself to visit both of these.
And then let us know what you think...!
 
If you visit the Ben Der school, just make sure you get the right guy.

This one is not a great role model:

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Sadly, Sifu Elmond Leung died in 2020.

I believe his students still teach in SF area.
My Si Pak and Si Sok spoke very highly of him.
 
geezer said:
I met Elmond once about 35 years ago, I think. Back then he was a straight up Leung Ting guy (as was I at the time). He's been on his own for a long time and with a lifetime in Wing Tsun/Wing Chun he should have a world of knowlege. If you have a chance to train with him, please post back and let us know what you thought!
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I was watching Sifu Alan Richter podcast out of New York, and he had mention on his show that Sifu Elmond Leung passed away April of 2020. The is under, I believe a Sifu Matyas Tamas.

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Cephalopod said:
But on the other hand...
Ben Der is long time student/training partner of Kenneth Cheung. I have had the opportunity to workout with several of Ken Cheung students/grandstudents and I have always been very impressed by their attention to detail, expressions of power, live training methods.
Of the lineages I've trained with, probably my favorite. Except for mine, of course :cool:

So if you're looking for a new school, you owe it to yourself to visit both of these.
And then let us know what you think...!
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I've sat in on a number of classes under Ben Der and I've never seen any combat drills (applications) at all. I'm wondering what I am missing? smh None of their video show any applications to mention as you may with in other WC schools.
 
Dominic82555 said:
I was watching Sifu Alan Richter podcast out of New York, and he had mention on his show that Sifu Elmond Leung passed away April of 2020. The is under, I believe a Sifu Matyas Tamas.

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*school is under
 
I don't mind and if I have to travel, in my case, between 1:30 to 1:45 minutes to a WC school, but I'm not traveling that distance 2-3 times a week for the fun of it.:)
 
Cephalopod said:
But on the other hand...
Ben Der is long time student/training partner of Kenneth Cheung. I have had the opportunity to workout with several of Ken Cheung students/grandstudents and I have always been very impressed by their attention to detail, expressions of power, live training methods.
Of the lineages I've trained with, probably my favorite. Except for mine, of course :cool:

So if you're looking for a new school, you owe it to yourself to visit both of these.
And then let us know what you think...!
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I've been to Sifu Ben Der's school on a number of occasions and I'm beginning to wonder am I missing something (ie wrong day or what)??. I've never seen any combat drills. I've watched students perform the Sil Lum Tao and a few Chi Sao but that was about it. I've watched just about all the video clips posted and yet no combat drills or light sparring but there's no problem in finding combat drills or applications of other schools that fall up under the Leung Sheung lineage. If it's something kept under the table, talk to me:)))
 
Dominic82555 said:
I've been to Sifu Ben Der's school on a number of occasions and I'm beginning to wonder am I missing something (ie wrong day or what)??. I've never seen any combat drills. I've watched students perform the Sil Lum Tao and a few Chi Sao but that was about it. I've watched just about all the video clips posted and yet no combat drills or light sparring but there's no problem in finding combat drills or applications of other schools that fall up under the Leung Sheung lineage. If it's something kept under the table, talk to me:)))
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So when you visited the school, did you ask the instructor (or Mr. Der) about whether they spar? Most teachers are pretty upfront about it either way.
 
geezer said:
So when you visited the school, did you ask the instructor (or Mr. Der) about whether they spar? Most teachers are pretty upfront about it either way.
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I will be headed up that way next week and I will surely ask.............Thanks
 
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