Does aikido use punches and kicks?

[moonhill99]

Does aikido use punches and kicks?

What are the pros and cons of some one using aikido using punches and kicks? Some one said 90% should be non punches and kicks with aikido. Some even say 100% should be non punches and kicks with aikido.

So what is the right number? Or more like 60% to 70% should punches and kicks. What are the pros and cons of some one using aikido using punches and kicks? And what should right number be?

Have you used punches and kicks to set up aikido take down?

 

[Stuarto]

Does aikido use punches and kicks?

What are the pros and cons of some one using aikido using punches and kicks? Some one said 90% should be non punches and kicks with aikido. Some even say 100% should be non punches and kicks with aikido.

So what is the right number? Or more like 60% to 70% should punches and kicks. What are the pros and cons of some one using aikido using punches and kicks? And what should right number be?

Have you used punches and kicks to set up aikido take down?

I trained in some Aikido that did use some strikes. This was a Tenshin Aikido style, more of a modernized type of Aikido. It was a lot of fun and quite challenging. The hardest part of Aikido in my opinion is learning how to fall right. Thanks to my Aikido training, my rolls in Kenpo are great.

 

[moonhill99]

I trained in some Aikido that did use some strikes. This was a Tenshin Aikido style, more of a modernized type of Aikido. It was a lot of fun and quite challenging. The hardest part of Aikido in my opinion is learning how to fall right. Thanks to my Aikido training, my rolls in Kenpo are great.

Was a strikes used mostly as defence or to unbalance the attacker to use take down. If it used mostly has defence they may say why not block than strike the attacker.

I see some people say one or two strikes than aikido take down. Others say you don’t deed strike just block and aikido take down.

Some say you doing it wrong if you use strike to unbalance the attacker.

Some say if you strike it causes the attacker to push back other say strike or two make easier for take down.

Not sure why you taking American Kenpo Karate has it does not blend well with aikido.

 

[Stuarto]

Was a strikes used mostly as defence or to unbalance the attacker to use take down. If it used mostly has defence they may say why not block than strike the attacker.

I see some people say one or two strikes than aikido take down. Others say you don’t deed strike just block and aikido take down.

Some say you doing it wrong if you use strike to unbalance the attacker.

Some say if you strike it causes the attacker to push back other say strike or two make easier for take down.

Not sure why you taking American Kenpo Karate has it does not blend well with aikido.

Aikido puts a great deal of focus on rolling and falling. Kenpo (at least the Kenpo I practice in) not so much. Kenpo is more about striking. Lots of punches and kicks. Aikido, using an opponents own force against them, and learning how to fall. We still have rolls in Kenpo though it is not practiced constantly. In Aikido, we did rolling as a part of every warm-up.

 

[wab25]

Yes, you can use strikes in Aikido. You can use them to set up your Aikido technique. You can also use your Aikido technique to set up your strikes. In fact, many of the Aikido techniques will present you with many striking opportunities... it just so happens that the Aikido technique has a bunch of motion ending in some type of fall.... but, the motions that most people think are extra, are in fact movement designed to create openings for strikes.... Even if the Aikido school you train at or look at does not use strikes.... that does not mean that the openings are not there.... the openings are there and can be used. The Aikido folks I cross train with.... are very good at showing those openings and how to use them. I realize that not all schools do this.... but the openings are still there for you to find.

 

[moonhill99]

They say the punches and strikes are used to distract or unbalance the attacker making it easier for a take down.

But some schools seem to use more punches and strikes than other schools I don’t know why that the case.

 

[frank raud]

They say the punches and strikes are used to distract or unbalance the attacker making it easier for a take down.

But some schools seem to use more punches and strikes than other schools I don’t know why that the case.

Maybe because there are different schools or styles of Aikido and they do things slightly differently from each other, which is what makes them different schools.

 

[Same Trick]

Morihei Ueshiba is said to have said that aikido is 90% atemi,

However I found this quote -

“In a real battle, atemi is seventy percent, technique is thirty percent.”

Morihei Ueshiba

Anyway, still a good percentage of striking

 

[Same Trick]

Aikido striking/atemi is not “boxing” style punches, atemi is found within the flow of the usually practiced techniques, Shionage is a nice example in where elbow strikes to are suited

 

[Sammy Naur]

So what's a good example of an Aikido striker in practice?

There has to be some video of a practical application out there.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

They say the punches and strikes are used to distract or unbalance the attacker making it easier for a take down.

You can use punches to set up:

- foot sweep,
- single leg,
- double legs,
- ...

But those throws are not part of the Aikido throws. May be Aikido people use punches to set up clinch such as:

- You punch.
- Your opponent blocks.
- You control his blocking arm, and ...

 

[Same Trick]

So what's a good example of an Aikido striker in practice?

There has to be some video of a practical application out there.

There probably arevideos out there, seek’n find.
Good aikido striker, would be someone that understands in where the regular practiced throws and takedowns it’s naturally found.
Ueshiba student Nishio was frequently showing it, maybe not on videos but during training, one way he showed akido techniques was by doing it with a sword(wooden) it raised the awareness of the potential danger”zones” within the throw technique.

 

[moonhill99]

Morihei Ueshiba is said to have said that aikido is 90% atemi,

However I found this quote -

“In a real battle, atemi is seventy percent, technique is thirty percent.”

Morihei Ueshiba

Anyway, still a good percentage of striking

Do you have some YouTube videos showing some different striking and different set ups. Why they using that?

 

[frank raud]

From The Secrets of Police Aikido by Bill Sosa.

 

[frank raud]

From Dynamic Aikido by Gozo Shioda

 

[frank raud]

From Best Aikido by Kisshomaru Ueshiba and Moriteru Ueshiba.

 

[Same Trick]

Do you have some YouTube videos showing some different striking and different set ups. Why they using that?

As I mentioned previously the strikes are within the common basic Aikido techniques/throws. The strikes are not commonly shown except maybe for as a move to create a flinch(and then an awareness of them)rather than full impact strikes, this is quite obvious since an impact strike would abruptly break the flow of the full exercise which is of outmost importance for overall endurance and situational awareness training..

And as for videos, there might be such out there, I don’t know I’m not a video watching guy, but there might be some of Shoji Nishio that show the idea, teaching on the tatamis he now and then showed in where the striking stuff is found. It’s actually quite obvious and not some hidden secret.

(Striking is not only hands and feet but elbows and knees, shoulders and hips and headbutting)

 

[Sammy Naur]

There probably arevideos out there, seek’n find.
Good aikido striker, would be someone that understands in where the regular practiced throws and takedowns it’s naturally found.
Ueshiba student Nishio was frequently showing it, maybe not on videos but during training, one way he showed akido techniques was by doing it with a sword(wooden) it raised the awareness of the potential danger”zones” within the throw technique.

I meant a professional competitor who primary uses/represents Aikido, in the grappling/striking sense. I figured there must be someone out there who trains it seriously and can show it full contact.

This is honestly something I tried and can't seem to find. I can find judo stuff involving strikes that are practical.

 

[Sammy Naur]

As I mentioned previously the strikes are within the common basic Aikido techniques/throws. The strikes are not commonly shown except maybe for as a move to create a flinch(and then an awareness of them)rather than full impact strikes, this is quite obvious since an impact strike would abruptly break the flow of the full exercise which is of outmost importance for overall endurance and situational awareness training..

And as for videos, there might be such out there, I don’t know I’m not a video watching guy, but there might be some of Shoji Nishio that show the idea, teaching on the tatamis he now and then showed in where the striking stuff is found. It’s actually quite obvious and not some hidden secret.

(Striking is not only hands and feet but elbows and knees, shoulders and hips and headbutting)

Combat Sambo is another place you can find contact sparring. Like Judo even though atemi waza is a thing and a lot of judoka MMA learn it, I don't know enough about Aikido to find someone who is high level enough to show off Aikido striking (which looks a lot like Judo atemi waza.

For example, Judo has elbow strikes, and you'd rarely (not never) see them in competition, the more striker type mixed judoka learn elbow strikes as finishers to throws etc, even if they also cross train in a pure striking art.

I'm really interested in this subject because as someone with a boxing background and working on my black belt I really am exploring some other arts concepts and because of jujutsu, judo and aikido have a sort of common core.

 

[Same Trick]

I meant a professional competitor who primary uses/represents Aikido, in the grappling/striking sense. I figured there must be someone out there who trains it seriously and can show it full contact.

This is honestly something I tried and can't seem to find. I can find judo stuff involving strikes that are practical.

The idea of Aikido is not about competition, I think the very name itself indicate that.
However the Tomiki linage have some sort of competition, the founder of that linage was heavily into judo I recall reading somewhere, I don’t know the rules and how the competition looks like though.

Edit - Although, Aikido has its randori practice usually with several attackers.
All attacks by attackers in Aikido are to be committed to hit and make contact with defender.