Do you know your Kenpo lineage?
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American Kenpo
SGM Parker
Prof Pat Salantri
SI Clark Cole
ME
SGM Parker
Prof Pat Salantri
SI Clark Cole
ME
Inkspill
Orange Belt
It is important to me
Mr. Parker
Mr. Rick Hughes
Me
those I will teach the art to
those they will teach
Each of us have a deep responsibility to keep the art strong, alive, logical, effective, proffessional, real, basically I would want Mr. Parker and Mr. Hughes and those who came before to look at my Kenpo, and the Kenpo of those I teach to look at my future students and their students, and their students (etc) and be proud of the Kenpo they see, be happy to see the art thriving, to know that the art continues and is true to the spirit of Kenpo.
I wouldn't want them to ever look down the line and be disappointed. I want them to be proud of my Kenpo and the Kenpo that goes on beyond me.
Mr. Parker
Mr. Rick Hughes
Me
those I will teach the art to
those they will teach
Each of us have a deep responsibility to keep the art strong, alive, logical, effective, proffessional, real, basically I would want Mr. Parker and Mr. Hughes and those who came before to look at my Kenpo, and the Kenpo of those I teach to look at my future students and their students, and their students (etc) and be proud of the Kenpo they see, be happy to see the art thriving, to know that the art continues and is true to the spirit of Kenpo.
I wouldn't want them to ever look down the line and be disappointed. I want them to be proud of my Kenpo and the Kenpo that goes on beyond me.
CrazyPeople
White Belt
As did i, both were pretty good guys, but same here i dont know who Kevins teacher was either.
MSTCNC
Brown Belt
SGM Parker > Senior Prof. Ken Herman > Prof. Martin Seck > MSTCNC
My lineage to Mr. Parker is clean, strong, and to-the-point. To me, personally, this is VERY important. In the big picture? We all make an art our own in some way... "Take what is useful. Disregard the rest!", as Sifu Lee might say...
I feel truly blessed, and consider it a great honor, to be training just three-steps removed from SGM Parker, and with such talented Instructors as my "upline".
In addition, I'd be remiss if I didn't include those people who trained, and pained, with me along the way on my Martial Path. Without an Uke, or being one for someone else, I would not be able to express my physical self as a Martial Artist...
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My lineage to Mr. Parker is clean, strong, and to-the-point. To me, personally, this is VERY important. In the big picture? We all make an art our own in some way... "Take what is useful. Disregard the rest!", as Sifu Lee might say...
I feel truly blessed, and consider it a great honor, to be training just three-steps removed from SGM Parker, and with such talented Instructors as my "upline".
In addition, I'd be remiss if I didn't include those people who trained, and pained, with me along the way on my Martial Path. Without an Uke, or being one for someone else, I would not be able to express my physical self as a Martial Artist...
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SGM Parker-> A.C. Rainey
Or
SGM Parker-> Hebbler-> A.C. Rainey
Or SGM Parker + Hebbler + Chapel -> A.C. Rainey
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Or
SGM Parker-> Hebbler-> A.C. Rainey
Or SGM Parker + Hebbler + Chapel -> A.C. Rainey
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Gentle Fist
Master Black Belt
Chow/Emperado/Godin/Gascon/Pesare/Cerio/Seavey/me
or
Chow/Cerio/Seavey/me
or
Chow/Cerio/Seavey/me
My Kenpo lineage traces back through Hawian Kenpo. The interesting thing is that like many practitioners, I have multiple lineages. I can trace my primary style, Tang Soo Do, to Hwang Ki and a second Moo Duk Kwan lineage well into early Korean masters. The result is that while I think of myself as a Tang Soo Do practioner, I could not honestly say I can differentiate the source of the many things my Grand Masters have taught me over the years.
Dennis
Dennis
celtic_crippler
Senior Master
That's a damn fine lineage you got there, sir! Professor Seck is the best kept secret in the Kenpo world! ;-)
Yes:
Ed Parker -> Dave Hebler -> Me
Ed Parker-> Chuck Sullivan -> Me
Ed Parker -> Tracys -> Kevin Lamkin -> Me
That said, I certainly wouldn't look down on someone whose lineage was longer. Vic LeRoux's "lineage" is the same as mine, as he is a Chuck Sullivan student. Vic LeRoux is a whole lot better than me. So length of lineage isn't everything.
It's worth noting that Kenpo changed during Parker's lifetime, and certainly by his disciples. Sullivan and Hebler were quite different.
I think what matters is the quality of the instructor. Hebler could spend an entire evening just on Delayed Sword - the physics, how it might play out, the history, variations, why some variations don't work, why it's where it is in the curriculum, how it ties into the rest of the system, different drills to help with elements of the technique, etc. Same for every other technique.
It seems like the old masters have this kind of encyclopedic knowledge. They just know a lot of stuff. They move with authority. Every Parker black belt I've met has mentioned at one time or another that they were impressed by how Parker moved. "I've never seen anyone move with such authority" - Dave Hebler. "When he moved, the room shook." - Sullivan.
The strip mall McDojo Kenpo guys teach you ten techniques in a night, are wobbly in their movements, and barely understand the art. They weren't promoted by Parker or Parker's black belts.
However, I have met some people with longer lineage that were very good.
Ed Parker -> Dave Hebler -> Me
Ed Parker-> Chuck Sullivan -> Me
Ed Parker -> Tracys -> Kevin Lamkin -> Me
That said, I certainly wouldn't look down on someone whose lineage was longer. Vic LeRoux's "lineage" is the same as mine, as he is a Chuck Sullivan student. Vic LeRoux is a whole lot better than me. So length of lineage isn't everything.
It's worth noting that Kenpo changed during Parker's lifetime, and certainly by his disciples. Sullivan and Hebler were quite different.
I think what matters is the quality of the instructor. Hebler could spend an entire evening just on Delayed Sword - the physics, how it might play out, the history, variations, why some variations don't work, why it's where it is in the curriculum, how it ties into the rest of the system, different drills to help with elements of the technique, etc. Same for every other technique.
It seems like the old masters have this kind of encyclopedic knowledge. They just know a lot of stuff. They move with authority. Every Parker black belt I've met has mentioned at one time or another that they were impressed by how Parker moved. "I've never seen anyone move with such authority" - Dave Hebler. "When he moved, the room shook." - Sullivan.
The strip mall McDojo Kenpo guys teach you ten techniques in a night, are wobbly in their movements, and barely understand the art. They weren't promoted by Parker or Parker's black belts.
However, I have met some people with longer lineage that were very good.
My lineage converges two lines. My instructor GM James K Roberts Sr. Trained under Master Emperado in Hawaii and now holds a 9th dan in Kenpo, He also trained under GM Hwang Kee and Master Ahn in Korea. Officially our school was Tang Soo Do but I've noted significant Kenpo influence in areas such as one step sparing and self defense.
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Bigdavid5.0
White Belt
My Kenpo lineage going backwards. DanPribble,Jeff Speakman,SGM.Edmund K. Parker,William Chow,James Mitose.
Andy is a great guy!
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