At the time yeah, thats what I thought and that's what my sifu told me. An anonymous phone call, I always had my hunch it was my uncle as did many other posters here.
It's a matter of process of elimination, who else would care that much to call and tell him about it?
So you haven't confirmed anything about who made the call, but are now confident to say it wasn't a member here? How difficult do you think it is to figure out where you train, and who you are, out of interest? Hmm…
I acted out of fear. I didn't want to be physically restrained by 8 people and possibly beat up. I didn't want them to escalate it to that.
You were in a public gym. They were asking you to engage one of their group in a sparring match (which, frankly, isn't something overtly plausible in the first place). There was no threat of violence. And really, what do you think their plan was? Ask you to fight, and if you said no, to fight you about it? Dude… if they wanted to beat you up, they wouldn't suggest a fight where 'they would watch out for cheating'… and really, you were so fearful that they'd fight you that you agreed to fight one of them, because…huh?
What I'm saying here is that, no, you didn't act "out of fear".
Ha! What?
Like I said before, if people don't believe me that's fine, it is impossible to back any of these events without video or a third party to verify them.
Well, some kind of plausibility to your stories would help, at least…
In reality though, what would I gain? None of this makes me look cool, none of this makes me look tough or impresses anybody. All it has done is get the majority of the forum to not like me and act rude toward me. If I were to make up stories to tell here wouldn't you think I'd pick more suited ones for the forum?
What would you gain? Attention. Which seems to have been what you're after through all your posts here, after all.
I'm a pretty educated guy believe it or not.
Hmm… no, I'm going to choose "not"… if we're talking comparative education, that is… purely objective? Eh, not that impressive, but nothing particularly low end either.
As for kickboxer, if I were trying to get liked or impress people I would have stopped after the first apparent "story" didn't go well, not continue the same thing expecting different outcomes.
Actually, your behaviour in your stories indicates that you'd do precisely that…
For example, guy at party. I get called a bully and was told I should have walked away.
And you didn't learn from that.
Sparring over someone saying karate sucks. Same result.
And you didn't learn from that.
Uncle incident, same result.
And you didn't learn from that.
Now this one, same result.
And you didn't learn from that.
And, let's not forget that one of your very first threads here detailed yet another random person (a 63 year old man, apparently), seeing you at a gym, and asking you to spar… completely outclassing you (look, there's a real case to be made for your stories following a particular structure, which doesn't lead me to think much of them are genuine, one of which is your insistence on putting yourself over in a way you feel will make you seem relatable, or humble, or whatever… this is yet another case), but with them telling you that it's just because they're more experienced, and you could be great (which reads as a delusional fantasy, frankly).
And you didn't learn from that.
If any of this happened, of course. And, if not, you haven't learnt from posting your fantasies here, it seems. Either way, you haven't learnt from your actions.
That's like 4 times of essentially the same thing not working out to make me look good. I posted them for insight and questioning whether or not I was in the right. Clearly I was not and here I was not as well.
Based on the structure of your arguments and posts, the way they're phrased, and your continued responses, no, you didn't post them for insight. You posted them to put across certain images of yourself to the forum at large, thinking you'd be seen one way (when it was often quite different), such as wanting to be told that you were actually in the right, or that you should "hang in there", or anything else to validate your behaviour.
You clearly weren't after insight, as frankly, you haven't taken anything on board at all.
I did and it got me in trouble. Within time I will though when the time is right. Plus Australia is a bit far for me.
You did what, get in a ring? And that got you in trouble? Are you talking about getting in the boxing ring in this story? How are you in trouble over that (leaving off the forum responses for a minute)? Has the story gotten back to your instructor, and he's finally gotten fed up with your refusal to grow up and take responsibility for your actions and decisions, and kicked you out?
Oh, and I really don't think drop bear was inviting you to his gym, you realise…
Can you honestly say that you have never acted out of fear before? Or are you so cool and amazing that you have defeated fear entirely? Come on now.
Bluntly, the description given by the OP doesn't match that either. Combine that with his professed actions in this and prior threads, and we have more than enough to put together a pattern of behaviour which can allow us to made certain observations and comments. None of this is taken in a vacuum.
May I remind you that you weren't there when this incident happened.
Honestly, I doubt that the OP was there either… or that it happened at all.
You weren't the one being confronted like Ironbear was, so you have no right to judge his response.
Garbage. He presented his side to us, and that, combined with the previous stories he's presented us with, gives us plenty to judge this new one, and his (claimed) behaviour.
Ironbear said he was scared of getting ganged up on by all the guys if he didn't agree to the fight, and having read his report on what happened, I would have had that same fear. Regardless of what might have happened, he felt threatened enough by these guys to break his promise to his sifu and take the fight.
Well, the only indication is the idea that he was surrounded (after saying no, and being provoked verbally), which lead to him saying yes. Catch is, of course, that this kind of intimidation/stand over tactic is not anything that has any real credibility to it, as it works against the motivations of the group themselves, and doesn't match anything else in the rest of the story.
So no, I don't buy it.
I would urge anyone else replying to this thread to remember one crucial thing. NONE OF YOU WERE THERE! You are all passing judgement on Ironbear saying that he could have walked away and not taken the fight, and maybe that was true, but at the time he didn't know that. He didn't know what those guys wanted and what they would have done if he refused to fight. In the same way that a trapped wild animal will attack, regardless of whether those around the animal wish it harm. The animal doesn't know that and so will do whatever it can to protect itself rather than wait too late. I'm not saying Ironbear (despite his name) is an animal, but the base survival instinct exhibited in wild animals exists in all of us.
And I would urge you to take a wider look at exactly why he's getting the response he is.
I have. Multiple times.
I don't know about you but if a group surrounded me in that situation I would feel threatened too, even if they didn't actively say it. Acting out of fear is not contemptible in the slightest. I agree that Ironbear's previous acts were childish and ego driven, but this doesn't seem the case here.
No? I'd say they do… but we might be looking at different behaviours…
Now, there is a chance that the group would have let him walk away, but the fact that they surrounded him tells me they wouldn't have. After all, if they were just going to tease him for being a "pussy" and let him go then why surround him?
Better question, if they just wanted to have a (semi) legitimate competitive sparring match, one on one with one of their guys, involving protective gear and "no cheating", why would they be asking random guys in a gym? And, when asking someone, receiving a no as a response, then continuing to harass the person by insinuating a lack of manhood and so on, why would they need to continue with intimidation? Does that come across as the action of a group who are genuinely interested in a fair match up?
Seriously, does any of it sound like it actually could have happened the way he told the story? Or is it more likely that he was hitting the bag at the gym, someone said something like "hey, you hit pretty good!", which lead to a chat, which lead to an offer of sparring (from either the other guy, or from the OP), then the match itself. The story presented here is a way to justify it to us (given previous threads), showing that he "had no choice" but to agree… even the description of the match itself doesn't seem to have much realism to it (not that many of his stories seem to have any).
It may just have been an unconscious movement but since we don't know the group's true motives we can't say for sure. Like I said, regardless of whether the act of surrounding Ironbear was intended to be threatening or not, he felt threatened enough to take the fight, out of self preservation.
If it happened… and that's a big "if".
There are other things at work here. Reread the follow-up post:
Read it.
What is your take on that?
Either the story is at least partially true, in which case the other guy was likely there to take a dive/beating in order to instil in the OP the confidence that he could be successful, and therefore should accept their offer, give them the $800, and embark on his career of being a carnival attraction, or it's just another false element to an already lacking story designed to make us feel something on his side.
