Steve
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What's interesting to me is that you aren't denying it.
Democrats give american people the finger
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But aren't the Democrats Americans themselves, who mostly live in America?
I think the problem is that many of us don't live in the same America, or have the same vision for America at all, and it makes it all to easy to think that the other side wants to screw everything up for some damnable exaggerated agenda.
The Republicans want to starve the poor or throw them in jail, close the borders, shackle women back in the kitchen and bedroom where they belong, put the minorities in concentration camps and do everything for business.
The Democrats want a socialist society, complete with 97% income tax, legalized marijuana, gay marriage and free abortions for all.
The truths, of course, are much more than either of those ridiculous statements-which are right up there with "Democrats hate America and Americans," John.
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thats the point Jeff, they are not.
legalized pot? thats a dem talking point
free abortions? we just went through a HUGE donnybrook about funding for planned parenthood
higher tax rate? just 2 days ago Ried said that he will not approve any deficit reduction bill that doesnt include higher taxes
gay marraige? another dem talking point
socialism? they call it social justice
your list for libs were right on the money Jeff
legalized pot? thats a dem talking point
free abortions? we just went through a HUGE donnybrook about funding for planned parenthood
higher tax rate? just 2 days ago Ried said that he will not approve any deficit reduction bill that doesnt include higher taxes
gay marraige? another dem talking point
socialism? they call it social justice
your list for libs were right on the money Jeff
WC_lun
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Is this for real? Do you really believe this? It really apears you are vilifying people who don't agree with you so it easier to attack them. Just for the record, every Democrat I know actually loves America and just want it to be better. Also true with every Republican I know. Only thier opinion of the methods used to do so vary. To think otherwise...well it isn't correct.
bushidomartialarts
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I wish. Neither of the major parties go on record for this. It's a Libertarian talking point primarily...sometimes the Green party (no pun intended)
That donnybrook included the fact that less than 5 percent of the funding was for abortions...though it is fair to say Dems tend to support PP and its programs more often.
Might be different in TX, but out here the Reps and Dems seem to want about the same tax rates...it's just that the Dems want the corporations and rich to pay it, and the Reps want it to fall on the middle and working classes.
Last time it was a big deal, it was the Republicans talking about it...mostly to stir up conservatives in a "get out the vote" issue. Dems in my neck of the woods won't touch it. I don't know who's pushing for it these days other than gay (and "straight but not narrow") people, but of my close gay friends, most are Republicans. (Worth noting that most of my friends are Reps...which may skew that)
Know your enemy, dude. "Social justice" is about equal access to rights and services...such as voting rights and education. "Socialism" is an economic structure for running a country. You've demonstrated you're against both, but that doesn't make them the same any more than my not liking wine or alcoholic soda pops makes Zinfandel and Mike's Hard the same thing.
Having lived in an actual socialist country, I can tell you that neither Dems nor Reps actually want a socialist USA....but I'll agree that Dem policies trend in that direction much more than the Republicans.
You are absolutely right! He's not thinking anything! I love that commercial.:ultracool
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Twin Fist
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and the personal insults just keep on comming, i guess when you got nothing else to use...
and now for the trash:
I wish. Neither of the major parties go on record for this. It's a Libertarian talking point primarily...sometimes the Green party (no pun intended)
where is thre most legal pot? california, whats one of the most liberal controlled states....CALIFORNIA
That donnybrook included the fact that less than 5 percent of the funding was for abortions...though it is fair to say Dems tend to support PP and its programs more often.
and tax payer dollars, like i said, free abortions is thier goal, they say so themselves
Might be different in TX, but out here the Reps and Dems seem to want about the same tax rates...it's just that the Dems want the corporations and rich to pay it, and the Reps want it to fall on the middle and working classes.
this is just flat out horse ****. The conservatives want to lower taxes ON EVERYONE to stimulate grow, you know, which actually works, the libs want to punish success by raising taxes on corporations and the wealthy, the JOB CREATORS which stifles growth, and destroys jobs, creating more people dependant on the government and more likely to vote dem to keep the bribes comming
Last time it was a big deal, it was the Republicans talking about it...mostly to stir up conservatives in a "get out the vote" issue. Dems in my neck of the woods won't touch it. I don't know who's pushing for it these days other than gay (and "straight but not narrow") people, but of my close gay friends, most are Republicans. (Worth noting that most of my friends are Reps...which may skew that)
look where it is legal, and how they vote....though to be fair, california and oregon both vote very liberal, and it failed in both those places, which is silly to me, i have no problem with it
Know your enemy, dude. "Social justice" is about equal access to rights and services...such as voting rights and education. "Socialism" is an economic structure for running a country.
bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz thanks for playing.....
social justice is the buzzword for socialism, the lefts ultimate goal.
and now for the trash:
I wish. Neither of the major parties go on record for this. It's a Libertarian talking point primarily...sometimes the Green party (no pun intended)
where is thre most legal pot? california, whats one of the most liberal controlled states....CALIFORNIA
That donnybrook included the fact that less than 5 percent of the funding was for abortions...though it is fair to say Dems tend to support PP and its programs more often.
and tax payer dollars, like i said, free abortions is thier goal, they say so themselves
Might be different in TX, but out here the Reps and Dems seem to want about the same tax rates...it's just that the Dems want the corporations and rich to pay it, and the Reps want it to fall on the middle and working classes.
this is just flat out horse ****. The conservatives want to lower taxes ON EVERYONE to stimulate grow, you know, which actually works, the libs want to punish success by raising taxes on corporations and the wealthy, the JOB CREATORS which stifles growth, and destroys jobs, creating more people dependant on the government and more likely to vote dem to keep the bribes comming
Last time it was a big deal, it was the Republicans talking about it...mostly to stir up conservatives in a "get out the vote" issue. Dems in my neck of the woods won't touch it. I don't know who's pushing for it these days other than gay (and "straight but not narrow") people, but of my close gay friends, most are Republicans. (Worth noting that most of my friends are Reps...which may skew that)
look where it is legal, and how they vote....though to be fair, california and oregon both vote very liberal, and it failed in both those places, which is silly to me, i have no problem with it
Know your enemy, dude. "Social justice" is about equal access to rights and services...such as voting rights and education. "Socialism" is an economic structure for running a country.
bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz thanks for playing.....
social justice is the buzzword for socialism, the lefts ultimate goal.
bushidomartialarts
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You are aware that "liberal" doesn't equal "democrat," right?
Agreed, liberals are more for drug legalization than conservatives. But that's true of any law change...because a desire to change from the status quo is the definition of liberalism. Ditto for gay marriage.
In both cases, you'll find that the majority of Dems are no more likely than Reps to support changes to either policy. Too politically loaded for established parties to mess about with. And extrapolating from CA is bad logic....it's like saying Republicans are wealthy from oil because TX has the most oil millionaires and the most Republicans.
I think you'll find if you read about PP, their goals are more about preventing abortions. They'll perform one if necessary, but their primary mission is educating people about birth control -- and giving access to birth control. If you want to really play the extrapolation game, we could say Republicans are the real supporters of abortions, since they keep blocking PP's attempts to get birth control education into public schools.....
One man's horse **** is another man's reasoned interpretations of the data. I've never seen much difference between taxing me to give a buck to a homeless guy vs. taxing me to give a buck to a defense contractor.
Social justice: aren't you the guy who was whinging about people reading your mind? Since you're clearly not a Democrat or a socialist, how do you know that's the buzz word?
Although -- in fairness to you -- social justice issues can be obtained via socialist methods. The venn diagrams do overlap. And you forgot to respond to my claim that neither Reps nor Dems actually want socialism, based on a comparison of their policies and life in actual socialist nations...
Agreed, liberals are more for drug legalization than conservatives. But that's true of any law change...because a desire to change from the status quo is the definition of liberalism. Ditto for gay marriage.
In both cases, you'll find that the majority of Dems are no more likely than Reps to support changes to either policy. Too politically loaded for established parties to mess about with. And extrapolating from CA is bad logic....it's like saying Republicans are wealthy from oil because TX has the most oil millionaires and the most Republicans.
I think you'll find if you read about PP, their goals are more about preventing abortions. They'll perform one if necessary, but their primary mission is educating people about birth control -- and giving access to birth control. If you want to really play the extrapolation game, we could say Republicans are the real supporters of abortions, since they keep blocking PP's attempts to get birth control education into public schools.....
One man's horse **** is another man's reasoned interpretations of the data. I've never seen much difference between taxing me to give a buck to a homeless guy vs. taxing me to give a buck to a defense contractor.
Social justice: aren't you the guy who was whinging about people reading your mind? Since you're clearly not a Democrat or a socialist, how do you know that's the buzz word?
Although -- in fairness to you -- social justice issues can be obtained via socialist methods. The venn diagrams do overlap. And you forgot to respond to my claim that neither Reps nor Dems actually want socialism, based on a comparison of their policies and life in actual socialist nations...
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here in this day and age, it doesnt, AND it does, the rank and file dem isnt a bad guy, he doesnt realize the enormous stupidity of his actions voting for socialist/marxist, he is just trying to do something nice
very true
thats just naive in the extreem. Do you have ANY idea how profittable it is for them to kill babies? that LAST thing they want to do is stop murdering babies, see how hard they fought to keep the money comming in?
George Tiller was a millionaire JUST from killing babies
then you are not thinking very hard, one action accomplishes nothing, the other creates several jobs that raises the tax base and creates MORE jobs when they need to go somewhere to eat with the money they just got from thier new job....
they put it out there for all to see dude, you just have to connect the dots and be willing to believe what they are showing you
the "dems" may not, the leftist most certainly do, and they controll the left.
soros
look it up
and this is all off topic.
the dems policy on energy seems to be "no fossil fuels, ever"
remember during the campaign, Obama and biden both said they were gonna bankrupt the coal industry
THAT is giving the finger to america, IMO
bushidomartialarts
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I know you live in a small town in TX, brother...but when was the last time you actually met a Democrat or a liberal? Other than when hunting them? (What's the tag limit on Dems in Nacodoches County these days?)
Glad we can agree on something.
Come now, I think I've demonstrated that I've done at least as much research into this as you have. This isn't kindergarten, so stop calling me a poopiehead just 'cos we disagree.
PP loses money on each abortion. Stats are pretty conclusive: more access to birth control = fewer abortions. PP is one of the leading providers of birth control to the lowest SEC populations. A miniscule proportion of their operating budget and time is spent on abortions.
There's probably a tacky "baby out with the bathwater" joke here, but I'm too classy to write it down.
Incorrect. One action (theoretically) helps somebody move from not contributing to re-entering the work force. The other (theoretically) does just as you say. OTOH, one (sadly too often) ends up buying a bottle of Mad Dog. The other (sadly too often) ends up with the lion's share in private holdings, not in the pool of funds that fosters employment.
Both are screwy.
Could say the same thing about many of the times you've objected to posts about how people think you're thinking. Kind of disingenuous, dontcha think?
Actually, the average Dem is about as leftist as my buddy who lost his left arm in the war. Very few of them would actually support socialism as seen in Japan, Germany and most of Scandinavia. It pays to remember that social discourse in America runs from about 5.5 to 8.5 on a scale of 1 (really, really socialist) to 10 (pure, free-market capitalism).
IMO, giving the finger to America is every time a Dem or a Rep paints the other side with broad strokes in order to keep fostering this destructive conflict. It's not about dem/rep, right/left, con/lib. It's about what's best for our country. Both sides have some good ideas...but because cooperation doesn't serve their interests, the powers that be keep us looking at each other while they pick our pockets.
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Texas was, untill the 90's, VERY democrat leaning. LBJ was from here, and Molly Ivins, and Anne Richards..... plenty of dems and outright leftists here,
murdering babies is a multi billion dollar business dude, like i said, you just have to be willing to see it and believe it.
Given the choice, i will help create jobs, not reward sloth
sure, the average dem is not a bad person, they are just woefully and enormously un-informed about what is happening in thier name.
the far left controls the dems, and they are up to no good.
back on topic please tho.
we MUST have fuel, the entire nation runs on it, and untill we create our own, we are the mercyof the middle eastern madmen
murdering babies is a multi billion dollar business dude, like i said, you just have to be willing to see it and believe it.
Given the choice, i will help create jobs, not reward sloth
sure, the average dem is not a bad person, they are just woefully and enormously un-informed about what is happening in thier name.
the far left controls the dems, and they are up to no good.
back on topic please tho.
we MUST have fuel, the entire nation runs on it, and untill we create our own, we are the mercyof the middle eastern madmen
bushidomartialarts
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Texas was, untill the 90's, VERY democrat leaning. LBJ was from here, and Molly Ivins, and Anne Richards..... plenty of dems and outright leftists here,
Yes, but what's the tag limit?
murdering babies is a multi billion dollar business dude, like i said, you just have to be willing to see it and believe it.
Are you talking about abortion, or collateral damage from military operations?
Given the choice, i will help create jobs, not reward sloth
A fair point, but you're probably oversimplifying both sides of the issue.
sure, the average dem is not a bad person, they are just woefully and enormously un-informed about what is happening in thier name.
Could say the same about reps. And probably libertarians, populists, green partiers, feminists, catholics and left-handed lesbian eskimo midgit albinos for world peace.
the far left controls the dems, and they are up to no good.
Naw. The far middle controls the dems. The far left doesn't even get heard.
True. But it's been demonstrated conclusively that a) we have plenty, b) we're taking a strategic stance to save our oil for when everybody else runs out, and c)we don't need FUEL...we need energy -- so why not invest in wind/solar/tidal/orbital beam/fusion/fission/convicts on bicycles? Petrochemical fuel kind of sucks.
Yes, but what's the tag limit?
murdering babies is a multi billion dollar business dude, like i said, you just have to be willing to see it and believe it.
Are you talking about abortion, or collateral damage from military operations?
Given the choice, i will help create jobs, not reward sloth
A fair point, but you're probably oversimplifying both sides of the issue.
sure, the average dem is not a bad person, they are just woefully and enormously un-informed about what is happening in thier name.
Could say the same about reps. And probably libertarians, populists, green partiers, feminists, catholics and left-handed lesbian eskimo midgit albinos for world peace.
the far left controls the dems, and they are up to no good.
Naw. The far middle controls the dems. The far left doesn't even get heard.
True. But it's been demonstrated conclusively that a) we have plenty, b) we're taking a strategic stance to save our oil for when everybody else runs out, and c)we don't need FUEL...we need energy -- so why not invest in wind/solar/tidal/orbital beam/fusion/fission/convicts on bicycles? Petrochemical fuel kind of sucks.
bushidomartialarts
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Well...solar works (especially in your neck of the woods), hydroelectric works (especially in mine), wind works
fission works, though it's kind of been scuttled by ignorance and fear (and a big ****ing earth quake)
tidal works, but is limited in application
orbital beam and fusion are both a few years out
but i'm convinced convicts on bicycles might be worth a shot...
fission works, though it's kind of been scuttled by ignorance and fear (and a big ****ing earth quake)
tidal works, but is limited in application
orbital beam and fusion are both a few years out
but i'm convinced convicts on bicycles might be worth a shot...
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