Creativity is key?

[Gerry Seymour]

Chi and creation are both debatable terms.

I don't think "creation" is the same as "creativity", at least in connotation. Creativity isn't magic.

 

[Martial_Kumite]

 

[Dylan9d]

What would you call creativity in MA, then?

I don't know, maybe creating new techniques or whatever.

But are we really gonna bicker over some words? Do we practice Wing Chun? Don't think so, so no need for bickering....

We have a saying in Holland called "mieren neukers", which literally means antfuckers, which refers to people that make a huge problem out of small things.

Now you and I won't be doing that not since I saved you from KPM's cult

 

[Martial_Kumite]

I don't know, maybe creating new techniques or whatever.

But are we really gonna bicker over some words? Do we practice Wing Chun? Don't think so, so no need for bickering....

We have a saying in Holland called "mieren neukers", which literally means antfuckers, which refers to people that make a huge problem out of small things.

Now you and I won't be doing that not since I saved you from KPM's cult

Ummm........... What?

 

[Gerry Seymour]

Ummm........... What?

You'd have to spend some time in the WC forums here to get the reference. If you want an argument, that's where we argue.

 

[KangTsai]

Let's say that you need to be able to read before you can write.

 

[Gerry Seymour]

Let's say that you need to be able to read before you can write.

But not before you can draw.

 

[Dylan9d]

But not before you can draw.

And thats after you learn how to hold you pencil properly ........

 

[Gerry Seymour]

And thats after you learn how to hold you pencil properly ........

Not in my experience. Most children draw before they are instructed in how to hold the implement. I'm not sure there's a good parallel in MA training, though.

My point is simply that early creativity in training doesn't inhibit training, so long as the student is following principles.

 

[Touch Of Death]

Not in my experience. Most children draw before they are instructed in how to hold the implement. I'm not sure there's a good parallel in MA training, though.

My point is simply that early creativity in training doesn't inhibit training, so long as the student is following principles.

Language is a good way to look at it. If young people don't know a word, for lack of study, they will invent one, or come up with an expression. People are like that.

 

[Gerry Seymour]

Language is a good way to look at it. If young people don't know a word, for lack of study, they will invent one, or come up with an expression. People are like that.

Yes. And if the expression they come up with happens to be effective (useful in communication), they may continue to use it later. If it isn't as useful as the word they didn't know, they'll likely not use it much after they learn the word.

 

[Steel Accord]

More than one of my teachers has told me some variation on, "you have to learn and follow the rules before you can break them."

 

[Gerry Seymour]

More than one of my teachers has told me some variation on, "you have to learn and follow the rules before you can break them."

I've heard that, too. I'll assert that this is not entirely necessary. The "rules" are usually the rules of a given art or system. Other systems often break them, without ever knowing what they are. Sometimes people coming from those other arts struggle to learn the rules, sometimes they don't - just like people who didn't learn those other rules. I think the point of that adage is to avoid building bad habits, and that's good advice. Creativity under the watchful eye of a good instructor won't build bad habits. In fact, it helps some people learn the rules.

 

[Buka]

Just read this thread now. Maybe the best line, and I mean in a long while, was about not wanting to have been taught by Bruce Lee. But then I thought about it for a minute and realized, "Heck, what could Bruce Lee ever have taught moi?" And the process wouldn't have been any fun, anyway.

I wouldn't want to wake up in bed with Margot Robbie, either. Because, you know, there probably wouldn't have been a trapeze involved.