I'm just totally amazed that there is support for this coward/murderer. There is no justification for what he did.
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I'm just totally amazed that there is support for this coward/murderer. There is no justification for what he did.
I haven't seen any support for him or justification for what he did. I have seen support for due process and the rule of law, as well as a disregard for the same.
I haven't seen any support for him or justification for what he did. I have seen support for due process and the rule of law, as well as a disregard for the same.
Doesn't mean im correct...i wasn't there. But im not jumping to conclusions.
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Without knowing what the tactical situation was all you have is an infowars article and a predisposition to believe anything to do with conspiracy.
When you have a killer (very recently reproven) barricaded, shooting at you...you are there to solve the tactical problem. They called for him to surrender. He refused. They "cold gassed" him...nothing. They breached the structure and received fire. They hot gassed the structure ("burners"...they burn the agent for higher volume dispersion) and apparently Dorner decided to plug himself vs surrender.
Any assumption that they were going to kill Dorner vs let him surrender is evidence of people making unsubstantiated assumptions based on what they watched on "The Shield" or some other media based education.
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The quotes are directly from police transmissions. "Let's burn this MFer!"
It's clear that they were just going to kill the guy.
Like he did to his victims? Not sure what your problem is with this. How do you think Monica Quans parents feel right now? How would you feel if someone murdered your daughter?
Bradley told me in 1981 that he asked Police Chief Ed Davis to explain why 300 officers were assigned to rooftop and perimeter patrols at police divisions (called precinct houses in most cities). Davis said police needed protection from armed criminals, citing an infamous incident in the mostly black South Central area where several people stood up at a meeting and urged killing officers.
Years later it came out that those urging attacks on police were all undercover officers, part of a massive worldwide LAPD spying operation in which some officers posed as leading communists and radicals for two decades, including officers in Havana and Moscow. (Doubters are invited to read “Chief: My Life in the LAPD,” by the late Daryl F. Gates, especially pages 72 and 231, as well as my articles about LAPD spying, brutality and mismanagement in the Los Angeles Times in 1980 until early 1983.)
Even if that were true which I don't believe it is. I thought that was a recording of a cop yelling that. But if it was on the radio it wasn't said by anyone actually involved in the tactical planning of the incident. The swat guys all have an encripted radio so they can communicate without others hearing the transmission. That was done idiot street cop that was standing on the outskirts making sure the press stay behind the line. Most other cops can't even listen to the channel that tactical guys are using.The quotes are directly from police transmissions. "Let's burn this MFer!"
It's clear that they were just going to kill the guy.
The media wasn't told to hush. They were told to stop tweeting real time what they were seeing. Tweeting stuff like wow 2 snipers are set up on the left side of the house puts people in danger. You don't know if dorner is inside reading all that. If he is He now knows everyone's movements and being a former cop he can plan whats going to happen next with that info.I'd want to burn that mother****er. To tell the truth, on an emotional level, I don't have a problem with it. I think the end result is exactly what Dorner deserved. As a citizen, I am disturbed by several things.
I have a problem with the police putting pressure on the media to STFU and white wash everything. The government does that too much already and we would be much better served by just being open to the public. I understand why an agency like the LAPD would need to white wash it's image. This is not a group of white hats.
http://www.alternet.org/why-lapds-hunt-dorner-indefensible
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I also have a problem with the State killing people. I think we need to reserve our highest levels of skepticism for these situations and never take them at their word. We can't have the kind of government the Founding Fathers wanted if people simply kowtow and bootlick every person dressed in a uniform. We especially cannot relax our vigilance in the land where the NDAA is law, in the land where an American citizen was openly murdered for his speech, in the land that operates torture dungeons and extra judicial prisons. Our Constitutional protections are toast. We can't afford to simply take the State's word for anything, IMO.
In the end, Dorner is a bad guy AND the institution is broken. Those who live by the sword die by the sword.
I'm not going to lose much sleep over this. Even if the LAPD decided to simply kill this guy, I can't say I'm totally against that. On the other hand, I can see the case of the civil libertarians. It's a troubling precedent in the times where we have the NDAA.
Tgace, lastly, the LAPD is a corrupt police force. There are lots of cities where the cops are little more than thugs. Chicago, Detroit, New Orleans, New York, from my experience cops in these cities have a completely different attitude. I've gotten screamed at for asking directions.
The corruption exists and it's really bad with the LAPD. I can understand why this story struck a cord with the community.
Plenty of fools were running around calling him a hero
Are we reading the same reports? They are calling this clown a ****ing hero.
People are the they. There are several pro dorner Facebook pages one had over 20k likes. Reading comments on dorner stories plenty of people were calking him a hero. There were plenty of dorner hero hash tags on twitter. Has nothing g to find with liberal or politics for me just a bunch of stupid peopleWho are "they"? If I google the words dorner and hero, I find plenty of articles that say Dorner is not a hero, but I can't find specific people that these articles are arguing against. It's always the mysterious they. About as specific as the authors get is liberals. That makes sense in this political climate. I guess I see what the authors are trying to do.
People are the they. There are several pro dorner Facebook pages one had over 20k likes. Reading comments on dorner stories plenty of people were calking him a hero. There were plenty of dorner hero hash tags on twitter. Has nothing g to find with liberal or politics for me just a bunch of stupid people
I'm not going to lose much sleep over this. Even if the LAPD decided to simply kill this guy, I can't say I'm totally against that. On the other hand, I can see the case of the civil libertarians. It's a troubling precedent in the times where we have the NDAA.
Tgace, lastly, the LAPD is a corrupt police force. There are lots of cities where the cops are little more than thugs. Chicago, Detroit, New Orleans, New York, from my experience cops in these cities have a completely different attitude. I've gotten screamed at for asking directions.
The corruption exists and it's really bad with the LAPD. I can understand why this story struck a cord with the community.
Only if they had the option to bring him to justice without putting themselves in danger. Nobody will miss a ****ed up dirtbag, so will anyone really care about due process in this case?
That's all I was saying above. If Dorner was really concerned about corruption, there were lots of better ways to handle this. In the end, he became just as bad as what he accused the LAPD of doing.
That said, I would be very wary of excusing the LAPD of corruption. I think the only reason he has attained any notoriety is the fact that the fact that the LAPD IS so openly corrupt and everyone knows it. Dorner's manifesto struck a nerve with that community...
The media wasn't told to hush. They were told to stop tweeting real time what they were seeing. Tweeting stuff like wow 2 snipers are set up on the left side of the house puts people in danger. You don't know if dorner is inside reading all that. If he is He now knows everyone's movements and being a former cop he can plan whats going to happen next with that info.
Even of they were asking the press to white wash stuff doesn't mean they had to listen. And the fact the press was even there is more evidence had he just given up they wouldn't have killed him.