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Chris Benoit, family, found dead.
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This was interesting:
Some back story on the Sullivan-Benoit triangle.
Police are also still insisting that the investigation is not complete and that they are examining all possibilities.
Some back story on the Sullivan-Benoit triangle.
Police are also still insisting that the investigation is not complete and that they are examining all possibilities.
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As if this wasnt bizzare enough already. Thats some wierd "coincidence" there.
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Greetings and solicitations, children of technology.
So the bottom line is, the tale is not yet written, the pieces are still in play, and the ending not known.
The weak minded are quick to jump to ill-considered conclusions, meekly following the biased blathering of a corrupt and clueless media.
I wonder, if in the end, he is shown to be innocent, will all those who condemn him now, feel remorse? No, they stand firm in their ignorance, happy turdlings be they. Fact hasn't effected them this far. Why would it later?
It is interesting that the police reports still state "allegedly". Seems they at least are waiting until all leads are examined, and all tests in, before declaring guilt.
The truth is, he probably is guilty, but the reason for the crime is as tragic as the crime itself. Enjoy the blind hatred and knee jerk reactionism. I'll await the final findings before I pass judgment.
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So the bottom line is, the tale is not yet written, the pieces are still in play, and the ending not known.
The weak minded are quick to jump to ill-considered conclusions, meekly following the biased blathering of a corrupt and clueless media.
I wonder, if in the end, he is shown to be innocent, will all those who condemn him now, feel remorse? No, they stand firm in their ignorance, happy turdlings be they. Fact hasn't effected them this far. Why would it later?
It is interesting that the police reports still state "allegedly". Seems they at least are waiting until all leads are examined, and all tests in, before declaring guilt.
The truth is, he probably is guilty, but the reason for the crime is as tragic as the crime itself. Enjoy the blind hatred and knee jerk reactionism. I'll await the final findings before I pass judgment.
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i dont know what to say. nobody really knows what happend they are just guessing that is what happend
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The person who edited the Wikipedia article has confessed, apologized, says it was an incredible coinkydink.
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6 law enforcement agencies crawling up your butt will do that. lol!
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Another small bit of unknown info.
Chris's long time friend and pro wrestler Biff Wellington also died a few days prior. So, 2 people that are reported to have been friends of the Benoit's also died within a shot period of time. While earlier accounts of a connection between Sheri Martel and the Benoits has been discounted as media speculation, it does add to the stress they were experiencing.
Copying a post I made elsewhere:
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LOOKING AT RECENT FOX NEWS COVERAGE OF BENOIT TRAGEDY, ILL-ADVISED COMMENTS, POOR RESEARCH AND MORE
by Mike Johnson @ 12:47:00 AM on 6/29/2007
http://www.pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.asp?id=25208&p=1
Benoit Story: Chris Jericho speaks HN's Nancy Grace show, which spent 40 minutes on Benoit
By Wade Keller, Torch editor
Jun 28, 2007, 23:16
http://www.pwtorch.com/artman/publish/article_20717.shtml
My Thoughts:
Ya know....the media is just plain ****ing clueless. They are ignoring facts, timelines, hell, even the words of the damn DA on the case, and pushing their own agendas here. Makes you wonder, if they are this screwed up on this....how accurate is the rest of their reporting?
The WWE owes NO ONE! any apology for airing the tribute they did on Monday. Arm chair quarterbacks are damning them for what they did, when they simply put, didn't know.
As to Bruce Hart..... who? Oh right....he's one of those guys who hasn't succeeded in the business like his brothers Bret and the late Owen Hart did.
Bret on the other hand had kinder words for Chris....and Bret knew him better. You're going to see alot of attention seeking whores coming out of the wood work, like Debra (Austins ex wife) and China. ****-em both, but not with my tackle.
It seems all these *** wipes keep missing that "alleged" part. The case isn't closed. What ever happened to "Innocent until proven guilty" thing? If Chris Benoit was this evil monster waiting to pounce like these dirt balls are making him out, why are so many people who worked with him over the last 20-30 years shocked? I could believe it if it was someone like Randy Orton. He's a jerk, period. But Chris's peers who have spent recent time with him.....they are in shock as this was just not like the person they knew and spent huge amounts of time with.
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Spotlight Article - KELLER: Benoit Family Murder - What the five main talking points should be
By Wade Keller, Torch editor
Jun 27, 2008, 12:15
http://www.pwtorch.com/artman/publish/article_20673.shtml
This article is what should be important here. Not continuing to crucify Benoit.
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The Bell Tolls For Them
By Steve Simmons (sports reporter)
http://www.torontosun.com/Sports/OtherSports/2007/06/28/4296540-sun.html
Chris's long time friend and pro wrestler Biff Wellington also died a few days prior. So, 2 people that are reported to have been friends of the Benoit's also died within a shot period of time. While earlier accounts of a connection between Sheri Martel and the Benoits has been discounted as media speculation, it does add to the stress they were experiencing.
Copying a post I made elsewhere:
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LOOKING AT RECENT FOX NEWS COVERAGE OF BENOIT TRAGEDY, ILL-ADVISED COMMENTS, POOR RESEARCH AND MORE
by Mike Johnson @ 12:47:00 AM on 6/29/2007
http://www.pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.asp?id=25208&p=1
Benoit Story: Chris Jericho speaks HN's Nancy Grace show, which spent 40 minutes on Benoit
By Wade Keller, Torch editor
Jun 28, 2007, 23:16
http://www.pwtorch.com/artman/publish/article_20717.shtml
My Thoughts:
Ya know....the media is just plain ****ing clueless. They are ignoring facts, timelines, hell, even the words of the damn DA on the case, and pushing their own agendas here. Makes you wonder, if they are this screwed up on this....how accurate is the rest of their reporting?
The WWE owes NO ONE! any apology for airing the tribute they did on Monday. Arm chair quarterbacks are damning them for what they did, when they simply put, didn't know.
As to Bruce Hart..... who? Oh right....he's one of those guys who hasn't succeeded in the business like his brothers Bret and the late Owen Hart did.
Bret on the other hand had kinder words for Chris....and Bret knew him better. You're going to see alot of attention seeking whores coming out of the wood work, like Debra (Austins ex wife) and China. ****-em both, but not with my tackle.
It seems all these *** wipes keep missing that "alleged" part. The case isn't closed. What ever happened to "Innocent until proven guilty" thing? If Chris Benoit was this evil monster waiting to pounce like these dirt balls are making him out, why are so many people who worked with him over the last 20-30 years shocked? I could believe it if it was someone like Randy Orton. He's a jerk, period. But Chris's peers who have spent recent time with him.....they are in shock as this was just not like the person they knew and spent huge amounts of time with.
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Spotlight Article - KELLER: Benoit Family Murder - What the five main talking points should be
By Wade Keller, Torch editor
Jun 27, 2008, 12:15
http://www.pwtorch.com/artman/publish/article_20673.shtml
This article is what should be important here. Not continuing to crucify Benoit.
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See Also
The Bell Tolls For Them
By Steve Simmons (sports reporter)
http://www.torontosun.com/Sports/OtherSports/2007/06/28/4296540-sun.html
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Police have raided both the doctor and his mothers homes, seizing documents and computers.
In other developments, Police have seized computers believed to belong to the person who posted a Wikipedia entry late Sunday night saying Nancy Benoit was dead.
In other developments, Police have seized computers believed to belong to the person who posted a Wikipedia entry late Sunday night saying Nancy Benoit was dead.
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Latest Updates
Thanks to Mike Johnson and [SIZE=-1]Dave Meltzer [/SIZE](more) and Wade Keller
- The Georgia Wrestling History website is quoting DEA agent Chuvalo Truesdell as stating the Drug Enforcement Agency has taken over the investigation into Dr. Phil Astin, Chris Benoit's physician. You can read their account on the localized ongoing in the investigation at www.GeorgiaWrestling.com.
- Chris Benoit's former wife, Martina Benoit, spoke briefly to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, calling the former WWE World champion, "...the most loving person anyone could imagine. I love him." She referred to the media coverage of the Benoit tragedy as "crap". You can read a complete article at this link.
- ESPN noted that the researchers who have done studies on deceased NFL Players, including Andre Waters, have requested brain tissue from Chris Benoit's body in order to seek to learn whether Benoit may have suffered from the same post-concussion syndrome that led to Waters to take his own life. You can read more at this link.
- Chris Jericho is slated to appear on Greta Von Sustern on Fox News tonight. Jericho has been the best person that has worked within the wrestling industry, hands down, to get across the idea that something seriously wrong happened that can't be simply dismissed as steroids. Other appearance have been made up of those who have agendas or are looking for 10 minutes of TV time to rip on the business and/or make their own names. The only exception to that list would be Bret Hart. As for the others, well, if you are reading this, you know how they came off.
- WWE pulled three shows for this month from 24/7, a History of ECW show that prominently featured Nancy Benoit, Wrestlemania 23 and a Nitro episode that both Benoits were on.
- At the WWE shop in Niagara Falls, all the Benoit merchandise was taken out of stock. There are cement block autographs of wrestlers on display there, one of which was Benoit, but the plan was to remove it today.
- Chris Benoit was the No. 1 thing searched on Yahoo yesterday. Nancy Benoit was No. 4. Vince McMahon was No. 6. There were also heavy searches for Owen Hart, Davey Boy Smith, Jim Ross, Rick Rude, Mr. Perfect, Wrestling Deaths and Kevin Sullivan
- Steve Simmons has a good column at www.torontosun.com on Benoit, dating back to Stampede Wrestling, Brian Pillman, Owen Hart, Davey Boy Smith and more
- The final photo taken of Benoit, hours before the first murder. Taken at his doctors office, it shows an apparently cheerful Chris.
- The latest Associated Press article, available here, includes comments from Benoit's father and Wikipedia's founder.
- Michael Benoit, Chris's father: "We have no understanding of why it happened. We need some time to gather our thoughts and wait and see. There's still more information that's going to come out from toxicology tests that will give us some understanding of why this happened." He also said that his father said Chris seemed fine when they spoke on Father's Day and had even said he regretted having to work instead of spending the day with his family. "That really wouldn't give you an indication of someone who would do what he did a week later," he said. WK Analysis: What makes this story so hard to digest is that Benoit hadn't given clues of his state of mind to people who are speaking to the mainstream media so far, including his father with whom he spoke about wanting to be home with his wife and son for Father's Day. Benoit, just a short time ago, wanted to be with the family members he killed - and that's hard for people to comprehend, and rightfully so.
- WWE has put a media ban on their superstars for the next three weeks. This means that WWE stars canÂ’t do any interviews with any media other than WWE.
Thanks to Mike Johnson and [SIZE=-1]Dave Meltzer [/SIZE](more) and Wade Keller
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The wrestling soap opera has taken a turn for the "real" here thats why its so popular. Personally, I stopped watching wrestling back when I was a teen and it was the Hulk Hogan era of the WWF. The whole thing seems (forgive me fans) kind of juvenile for grown-ups to be absorbed in. But to each his own.
What would the difference be, ultimately, if it was steroids vs. concussions that caused his actions? Either way the cause would have been something besides forethought and malice. Is it because the steroid issue is associated with illegality and drug abuse, while the concussion issue has a more benign "feel"?
I think that here, as in life, there are multiple causes for things like this. Each with its role to play. Rarely is one thing entirely to blame.
What would the difference be, ultimately, if it was steroids vs. concussions that caused his actions? Either way the cause would have been something besides forethought and malice. Is it because the steroid issue is associated with illegality and drug abuse, while the concussion issue has a more benign "feel"?
I think that here, as in life, there are multiple causes for things like this. Each with its role to play. Rarely is one thing entirely to blame.
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I think there is something that has been underestimated in talking about Chris Benoit story. By what was released Chris killed his son with a plastic bag.
Now all I am doing (of course just like all of you) is just an assumption, but it might be worthy a thought.
Chris didn't choke his son, he had him die with his own son's carbon monoxide. That kind of death is not traumatic as it can be by being choked. In my mind Chris must have gone up to his kid proposing the plastic bag as an innocent game. I don't think Chris wanted his son to suffer or even realize he was dying. By what I know, dying the way his son died is not painful. You run out of oxygen and start inhaling carbon monoxide till you fall into a deep sleep to go to death.
If my assumption is correct, it would open a new window, which only a doctor would be able to answer to. A person who gives death to his son in such a "mercyful" way and in his own (twisted) mind caring about him not suffering or being scared, can he still be considered under Roid Rage? Or we have to look for the answer into more "normal" menta problems...
Now all I am doing (of course just like all of you) is just an assumption, but it might be worthy a thought.
Chris didn't choke his son, he had him die with his own son's carbon monoxide. That kind of death is not traumatic as it can be by being choked. In my mind Chris must have gone up to his kid proposing the plastic bag as an innocent game. I don't think Chris wanted his son to suffer or even realize he was dying. By what I know, dying the way his son died is not painful. You run out of oxygen and start inhaling carbon monoxide till you fall into a deep sleep to go to death.
If my assumption is correct, it would open a new window, which only a doctor would be able to answer to. A person who gives death to his son in such a "mercyful" way and in his own (twisted) mind caring about him not suffering or being scared, can he still be considered under Roid Rage? Or we have to look for the answer into more "normal" menta problems...
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From what I've read, it was a choke or sleeper-type hold, not a bag as initially reported. A few sites are mentioning that there will be some announcements next week that will "dramatically change things".
But, both the bag and the sleeper would seem to imply merciful not violent intent, from my limited knowledge of both.
Right now, there are too many questions. Requests for brain tissue have been denied, citing his brain was too decomposed for examination. It was stated that his body had begun to liquify due to the heat in the house. I wonder how that will effect the tox reports.
But, both the bag and the sleeper would seem to imply merciful not violent intent, from my limited knowledge of both.
Right now, there are too many questions. Requests for brain tissue have been denied, citing his brain was too decomposed for examination. It was stated that his body had begun to liquify due to the heat in the house. I wonder how that will effect the tox reports.
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Updates
NY Daily News is reporting GHB might have played a part.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more_sports/2007/07/01/2007-07-01_benoit_took_daterape_drug.html
ESPN.com has an article on the possibility of researching Chris Benoit's head to determine whether he suffered from some form of brain trauma that could possibly explain what triggered the alleged murders of his wife and son. However, a source tells ESPN that Benoit's brain might be too damaged to examine.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=2920925
Local Atlanta affiliate interviews attorney for Nancy Benoit's family and Bill DeMott
http://www.pwtorch.com/artman/publish/article_20755.shtml
NY Daily News is reporting GHB might have played a part.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/more_sports/2007/07/01/2007-07-01_benoit_took_daterape_drug.html
ESPN.com has an article on the possibility of researching Chris Benoit's head to determine whether he suffered from some form of brain trauma that could possibly explain what triggered the alleged murders of his wife and son. However, a source tells ESPN that Benoit's brain might be too damaged to examine.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=2920925
Local Atlanta affiliate interviews attorney for Nancy Benoit's family and Bill DeMott
http://www.pwtorch.com/artman/publish/article_20755.shtml
You're correct, although in this case, it's carbon dioxide. Carbon monoxide is much, much more toxic, and kills you in a much smaller dose, since it directly competes with oxygen in your blood's hemoglobin.
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Bill Apter was on FOX earlier.
http://www.1wrestling.com/news/newsline.asp?news=29138
An interesting quote here:
"I also questioned why we have not found out why, in just a few short hours after the grizzly discovery, it was ruled a "double-murder-suicide." When I was asked by the show's interviewer Kimberly Guilfoyle what I think will come out next in this bizarre tragedy I said "They will probably find the murderer!"
Through the endless reports of this whole terrible incident, has anyone come out and given the pure facts of why it was ruled a "double-murder-suicide" so very quickly?
That question prompted Kimberly Guilfoyle to ponder why she has not heard those facts either. "
http://www.1wrestling.com/news/newsline.asp?news=29138
An interesting quote here:
"I also questioned why we have not found out why, in just a few short hours after the grizzly discovery, it was ruled a "double-murder-suicide." When I was asked by the show's interviewer Kimberly Guilfoyle what I think will come out next in this bizarre tragedy I said "They will probably find the murderer!"
Through the endless reports of this whole terrible incident, has anyone come out and given the pure facts of why it was ruled a "double-murder-suicide" so very quickly?
That question prompted Kimberly Guilfoyle to ponder why she has not heard those facts either. "
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Updates.
Let me summarize: Danial Benoit was fine. Chris Benoit got 10 month supplies of steriods ever 3-4 weeks, yet passed at least 4 wellness tests. The doctor has been indited on 7+ counts and is in custody.
More below:
FOX NEWS: BENOIT DOCTOR PRESCRIBED 10 MONTH SUPPLY OF STEROIDS EVERY 3-4 WEEKS FOR A YEAR
by Bob Ryder - Updated: 7/2/2007 5:14:46 PM
http://www.1wrestling.com/news/newsline.asp?news=29142
BENOIT DOCTOR INDICTED ON 7 COUNTS OF DISTRIBUTING ILLEGAL SUBSTANCES
by Bob Ryder - Updated: 7/2/2007 4:25:25 PM
http://www.1wrestling.com/news/newsline.asp?news=29141
BENOIT DOCTOR FACING FEDERAL CHARGES, TURNS HIMSELF IN
by Bob Ryder - Updated: 7/2/2007 1:54:25 PM
http://www.1wrestling.com/news/newsline.asp?news=29140
More details come out in Astin case updated 7/2/2007 6:48:00 PM EST
http://www.wrestlingobserver.com/wo/news/headlines/default.asp?aID=20062
Explosive day in Benoit case is nothing but the worst news possible across the board for WWE: Charges that Benoit was prescribed massive amounts of steroids by Astin, Astin indicted on seven counts, Fragile X contradiction updated 7/2/2007 6:39:00 PM EST
http://www.wrestlingobserver.com/wo/news/headlines/default.asp?aID=20061
Fox breaking news: Benoit prescribed massive amounts of steroids by Astin updated 7/2/2007 5:10:00 PM EST
http://www.wrestlingobserver.com/wo/news/headlines/default.asp?aID=20059
A Fox News Channel report said that records obtained by investigators show that between May 2006 and May 2007, Dr. Phil Astin prescribed Chris Benoit "a ten month supply of steroids" every three to four weeks. The report stated that every three to four weeks, Benoit would get a new ten-month supply.
DEA ISSUES PRESS RELEASE ON FEDERAL INDICTMENT OF DR. PHIL ASTIN
by Mike Johnson
7/2/2007 7:46:23 PM
http://www.pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.asp?id=25274&p=1
BENOIT/DR. ASTIN DOCUMENTS PUBLISHED ONLINE AT THESMOKINGGUN.COM
by Mike Johnson
7/2/2007 7:21:21 PM
http://www.pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.asp?id=25273&p=1
ASSOCIATED PRESS COVERS FEDERAL INDICTMENT OF DR. PHIL ASTIN IN WAKE OF BENOIT TRAGEDY
by Mike Johnson
7/2/2007 6:21:07 PM
http://www.pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.asp?id=25269&p=1
WWE RECOGNIZES IT MAY NEED TO MAKE CHANGES TO THE WELLNESS POLICY AFTER THE BENOIT TRAGEDY
by Dave Scherer
7/2/2007 5:44:14 PM
http://www.pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.asp?id=25268&p=1
FAYETTEVILLE COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY SAYS DANIEL BENOIT MEDICAL RECORDS SHOW NO RECORD OF MENTAL OR PHYSICAL IMPAIRMENT
by Mike Johnson
7/2/2007 5:27:56 PM
http://www.pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.asp?id=25267&p=1
DR. PHIL ASTIN INDICTMENT PRESS CONFERENCE HIGHLIGHTS
by Mike Johnson
7/2/2007 5:13:08 PM
http://www.pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.asp?id=25266&p=1
Let me summarize: Danial Benoit was fine. Chris Benoit got 10 month supplies of steriods ever 3-4 weeks, yet passed at least 4 wellness tests. The doctor has been indited on 7+ counts and is in custody.
More below:
FOX NEWS: BENOIT DOCTOR PRESCRIBED 10 MONTH SUPPLY OF STEROIDS EVERY 3-4 WEEKS FOR A YEAR
by Bob Ryder - Updated: 7/2/2007 5:14:46 PM
http://www.1wrestling.com/news/newsline.asp?news=29142
BENOIT DOCTOR INDICTED ON 7 COUNTS OF DISTRIBUTING ILLEGAL SUBSTANCES
by Bob Ryder - Updated: 7/2/2007 4:25:25 PM
http://www.1wrestling.com/news/newsline.asp?news=29141
BENOIT DOCTOR FACING FEDERAL CHARGES, TURNS HIMSELF IN
by Bob Ryder - Updated: 7/2/2007 1:54:25 PM
http://www.1wrestling.com/news/newsline.asp?news=29140
More details come out in Astin case updated 7/2/2007 6:48:00 PM EST
http://www.wrestlingobserver.com/wo/news/headlines/default.asp?aID=20062
Explosive day in Benoit case is nothing but the worst news possible across the board for WWE: Charges that Benoit was prescribed massive amounts of steroids by Astin, Astin indicted on seven counts, Fragile X contradiction updated 7/2/2007 6:39:00 PM EST
http://www.wrestlingobserver.com/wo/news/headlines/default.asp?aID=20061
Fox breaking news: Benoit prescribed massive amounts of steroids by Astin updated 7/2/2007 5:10:00 PM EST
http://www.wrestlingobserver.com/wo/news/headlines/default.asp?aID=20059
A Fox News Channel report said that records obtained by investigators show that between May 2006 and May 2007, Dr. Phil Astin prescribed Chris Benoit "a ten month supply of steroids" every three to four weeks. The report stated that every three to four weeks, Benoit would get a new ten-month supply.
DEA ISSUES PRESS RELEASE ON FEDERAL INDICTMENT OF DR. PHIL ASTIN
by Mike Johnson
7/2/2007 7:46:23 PM
http://www.pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.asp?id=25274&p=1
BENOIT/DR. ASTIN DOCUMENTS PUBLISHED ONLINE AT THESMOKINGGUN.COM
by Mike Johnson
7/2/2007 7:21:21 PM
http://www.pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.asp?id=25273&p=1
ASSOCIATED PRESS COVERS FEDERAL INDICTMENT OF DR. PHIL ASTIN IN WAKE OF BENOIT TRAGEDY
by Mike Johnson
7/2/2007 6:21:07 PM
http://www.pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.asp?id=25269&p=1
WWE RECOGNIZES IT MAY NEED TO MAKE CHANGES TO THE WELLNESS POLICY AFTER THE BENOIT TRAGEDY
by Dave Scherer
7/2/2007 5:44:14 PM
http://www.pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.asp?id=25268&p=1
FAYETTEVILLE COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY SAYS DANIEL BENOIT MEDICAL RECORDS SHOW NO RECORD OF MENTAL OR PHYSICAL IMPAIRMENT
by Mike Johnson
7/2/2007 5:27:56 PM
http://www.pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.asp?id=25267&p=1
DR. PHIL ASTIN INDICTMENT PRESS CONFERENCE HIGHLIGHTS
by Mike Johnson
7/2/2007 5:13:08 PM
http://www.pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.asp?id=25266&p=1
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Who administered the tests? More importantly who paid for them?
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http://www.wrestlingobserver.com/wo/news/headlines/default.asp?aID=20061
However, even with my opinion of pro-wrestling, this part has some truth to it too.
However, even with my opinion of pro-wrestling, this part has some truth to it too.
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My understanding is it was 3rd party, hired and paid for by the WWE.
There's a link to more info on it somewhere...I'll see if I can find it.
All I can say now is, this news is very disturbing.
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