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WWE.com is reporting "murder/suicide".
Chris Benoit, family, found dead.
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Truly Terrible. This and the loss of Sensational Sherri a few days back. What is going on? It's really sad.
Blotan Hunka
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My moneys on murder-suicide. I thought that the moment I heard the "I cant go to the match because my wife and kid are throwing up blood" bit.
Occam's Razor.
Occam's Razor.
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Well guys, maybe (as one of you said) my attitude stinks. So here's back at you, whoever you are. Why should the death of someone whom I've never met or heard of diminish me more than that of thousands of others whose ending was even worse? Why should his job in the entertainment industry make his story worth more than that of someone in humble circumstances whose life touches me personally?
The family who died in a fire not two blocks from here means much more to me. I knew them. We said hello when we passed on the street. But they never got onto TV. Does that make them less worthy of my personal sympathy than some actor, his wife and child? Hardly. My wife's miscarriage only involved the loss of one potential life, but it was infinitely nearer and dearer to me than any number of other similar endings. And that is the way it should be.
This sort of thing happens all the time. It's sad and it's bad. If the outpouring of grief is greater for strangers rather than people in one's own extended community and even more if it's based on roles they played in fictional drama there's a real problem with perspective somewhere.
The latest news is that the police are treating it as a murder-suicide. If the reports are correct the guy killed his wife and child and then himself. If that turns out to be the case I'm still sorry about the woman and the child but no more and no less than for any other family in the same situation. Will you cut the murderer more slack because he had an attractive TV persona? Will his death in particular still be a tragedy?
The family who died in a fire not two blocks from here means much more to me. I knew them. We said hello when we passed on the street. But they never got onto TV. Does that make them less worthy of my personal sympathy than some actor, his wife and child? Hardly. My wife's miscarriage only involved the loss of one potential life, but it was infinitely nearer and dearer to me than any number of other similar endings. And that is the way it should be.
This sort of thing happens all the time. It's sad and it's bad. If the outpouring of grief is greater for strangers rather than people in one's own extended community and even more if it's based on roles they played in fictional drama there's a real problem with perspective somewhere.
The latest news is that the police are treating it as a murder-suicide. If the reports are correct the guy killed his wife and child and then himself. If that turns out to be the case I'm still sorry about the woman and the child but no more and no less than for any other family in the same situation. Will you cut the murderer more slack because he had an attractive TV persona? Will his death in particular still be a tragedy?
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And here I thought I was the one without a heart in the face of tragedy.
I don't know you, your wife, or your neighbors. I didn't know the Benoit's. I didn't know anyone anyone in Oklahoma City, NYC, or who was anywhere near Columbine. In fact, I didn't know any of the dozen people in my own town who have died this month, nor have I known anyone who has been listed on this sites memorial section.
But at the end of the day, they were all people. Some famous, some anonymous, but all were dear to someone. All were people.
All were worthy of respect. Even those who sometimes go down roads that we ourselves cannot understand.
The facts in this case, are not all known. Police investigations have been wrong before, sometimes publicly intentional.
So, until all the facts are known, I'll shed a tear for all of the departed, even those I didn't know. And pity those too heartless to know enough to keep silent when others are in pain, such as yourself.
As someone wiser than I once said, "If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all." I'm less polite. Show respect for the dead, or shut up.
Because, until the facts are all known, you're just being disrespectful.
I don't know you, your wife, or your neighbors. I didn't know the Benoit's. I didn't know anyone anyone in Oklahoma City, NYC, or who was anywhere near Columbine. In fact, I didn't know any of the dozen people in my own town who have died this month, nor have I known anyone who has been listed on this sites memorial section.
But at the end of the day, they were all people. Some famous, some anonymous, but all were dear to someone. All were people.
All were worthy of respect. Even those who sometimes go down roads that we ourselves cannot understand.
The facts in this case, are not all known. Police investigations have been wrong before, sometimes publicly intentional.
So, until all the facts are known, I'll shed a tear for all of the departed, even those I didn't know. And pity those too heartless to know enough to keep silent when others are in pain, such as yourself.
As someone wiser than I once said, "If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all." I'm less polite. Show respect for the dead, or shut up.
Because, until the facts are all known, you're just being disrespectful.
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Like I said, it's a tragedy like a thousand others. A family dies. It gets not a tear from the multitudes. A family dies in one's own community. The same. But let it be someone who was on television and it's a cause for general mourning for that reason and no other. Something is wrong there. To say that is not disrespect for the dead. It's simply a failure to be blinded by the magic box. The death of someone near to me means more to me than someone I don't know. That's not heartless or disrespectful or anything of the sort. It's the normal human reaction to such things. Those closest should be the ones who mean more to a person.
The investigation is just starting. That's why I said "if" and was careful to say so. If the deceased did kill his wife and child, then their deaths will still be tragic. His? Like any other murderer's. The fact that he was an entertainer and actor will make no difference in either case. And it means no more or less than the deaths of a thousand other women and children at the hands of husbands or boyfriends and fathers. If their deaths do not evoke the same reaction then who is being heartless? So I'm sorry for the woman and child in the same way that I am whenever I hear of such a case. But I'm reserving justice on Chris Benoit until we find out whether he's victim or victimizer. So far CNN is saying:
We'll see.
The investigation is just starting. That's why I said "if" and was careful to say so. If the deceased did kill his wife and child, then their deaths will still be tragic. His? Like any other murderer's. The fact that he was an entertainer and actor will make no difference in either case. And it means no more or less than the deaths of a thousand other women and children at the hands of husbands or boyfriends and fathers. If their deaths do not evoke the same reaction then who is being heartless? So I'm sorry for the woman and child in the same way that I am whenever I hear of such a case. But I'm reserving justice on Chris Benoit until we find out whether he's victim or victimizer. So far CNN is saying:
We'll see.
Blotan Hunka
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Hmm. Who cares about all those Iraqi's and Afghans killed "over there" either? I dont know any of them. Death of one you know is a tragedy, death of someone you dont know is a statistic huh?
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People are entitled to their opinions, no matter how dumb they may be.
There are 2 known facts.
- 3 people are dead.
- We don't know all of the facts.
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There are 2 known facts.
- 3 people are dead.
- We don't know all of the facts.
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Quite chilling, when you see all of the big names that have died very recently, and all of them while they were still relatively young:
Curt "Mr. Perfect" Hennig
Eddie Guerrero
Ray "The Big Bossman" Traylor
Scott "Bam Bam" Bigelow
Brian Pillman
David "Davey Boy" Smith
Richard "Ravishing Rick Rude" Rood
Michael "Hawk" Hegstrand
Owen Hart
A good number of those deaths were drug-related, including steroids (Owen Hart not amongst them, I believe), and I can only hope that maybe the 'rasslin industry can learn something from these awful events.
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UPDATE ON BENOIT TRAGEDY; AUTOPSY SCHEDULED FOR TODAY
By: Bob Ryder
6/26/2007 10:39:24 AM
6/26/2007 10:47:00 AM
Notes on tonight's WWE TV show in San Antonio
by Dave Meltzer
By: Bob Ryder
6/26/2007 10:39:24 AM
6/26/2007 10:47:00 AM
Notes on tonight's WWE TV show in San Antonio
by Dave Meltzer
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This doesn't sound promising. WWE has stated they have more information, but have been asked not to release it at this time. I checked their website, and all tributes, etc on Benoit have been pulled from the main page, the only thing left is the news item on the deaths.
I've got the sad feeling that when it's all said and done, it's going to be ugly.
WWE YANKS ALL CHRIS BENOIT MERCHANDISE FROM SHOPZONE WEBSITE
by Mike Johnson @ 10:42:00 AM on 6/26/2007
I've got the sad feeling that when it's all said and done, it's going to be ugly.
WWE YANKS ALL CHRIS BENOIT MERCHANDISE FROM SHOPZONE WEBSITE
by Mike Johnson @ 10:42:00 AM on 6/26/2007
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It had to be the steroids that made him do it, Chris just wouldn't have done that in his "right" mind... A double murder/suicide... As an avid wrestling fan of close to 3 decades, Chris Benoit, Billy Kidman, Sting and Chris Jericho are my all time 4 wrestlers. Only 1 is still wrestling, and now one is a murderer... I'm holding judgment until the official reports come out.
A law enforcement official close to the investigation says pro wrestler Chris Benoit strangled his wife and smothered his son before hanging himself in his weight room.
Speaking to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity, the official also says authorities are investigating whether steroids may have been a factor in the deaths.
The family was found dead Monday, and authorities were investigating the deaths as a murder-suicide. Investigators believe the 40-year-old Benoit killed his wife, Nancy, 47, and son, Daniel, 7, over the weekend, then himself on Monday.
“The details, when they come out, are going to prove a little bizarre,” Fayette County District Attorney Scott Ballard told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution newspaper.
Those details may emerge after the completion of autopsies scheduled Tuesday.
Ballard told The Associated Press a gun was not used in any of the deaths, but he declined to say how the three died.
“We’re pretty sure we know, but we want to confirm it with the crime lab,” Ballard said Tuesday. Authorities also declined to say whether drugs or steroids were found inside the house.
A law enforcement official close to the investigation says pro wrestler Chris Benoit strangled his wife and smothered his son before hanging himself in his weight room.
Speaking to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity, the official also says authorities are investigating whether steroids may have been a factor in the deaths.
The family was found dead Monday, and authorities were investigating the deaths as a murder-suicide. Investigators believe the 40-year-old Benoit killed his wife, Nancy, 47, and son, Daniel, 7, over the weekend, then himself on Monday.
“The details, when they come out, are going to prove a little bizarre,” Fayette County District Attorney Scott Ballard told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution newspaper.
Those details may emerge after the completion of autopsies scheduled Tuesday.
Ballard told The Associated Press a gun was not used in any of the deaths, but he declined to say how the three died.
“We’re pretty sure we know, but we want to confirm it with the crime lab,” Ballard said Tuesday. Authorities also declined to say whether drugs or steroids were found inside the house.
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TMZ.com has more to this bizare story.
http://w.tmz.com/2007/06/26/benoits-history-of-domestic-violence-exposed/
"law enforcement sources tell TMZ they believe Benoit strangled his wife on Saturday, smothered his son on Sunday and then hanged himself on Monday."
Numerous other sources are covering this. A press conference is scheduled for 3pm, and will be carried on many news channels.
"n divorce papers filed in 2003, Nancy Benoit included a petition for protection from domestic abuse against Chris. In the papers, Nancy claimed that Benoit, "lost his temper and threatened to strike the petitioner and cause extensive damage to the home and personal belongings of the parties, including furniture." Nancy added that she was, "in reasonable fear for petitioner's own safety and that of the minor child.""
This is a very sad turn of events, and a sad end to 3 lives.
http://w.tmz.com/2007/06/26/benoits-history-of-domestic-violence-exposed/
"law enforcement sources tell TMZ they believe Benoit strangled his wife on Saturday, smothered his son on Sunday and then hanged himself on Monday."
Numerous other sources are covering this. A press conference is scheduled for 3pm, and will be carried on many news channels.
"n divorce papers filed in 2003, Nancy Benoit included a petition for protection from domestic abuse against Chris. In the papers, Nancy claimed that Benoit, "lost his temper and threatened to strike the petitioner and cause extensive damage to the home and personal belongings of the parties, including furniture." Nancy added that she was, "in reasonable fear for petitioner's own safety and that of the minor child.""
This is a very sad turn of events, and a sad end to 3 lives.
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Wade Keller sums alot of things up in his blog.
http://www.pwtorch.com/artman/publish/article_20635.shtml
http://www.pwtorch.com/artman/publish/article_20635.shtml
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I just watched the press conference.
- Nancy was bound, hand and foot. She was strangled with an electrical cord.
- Hours later, Daniel was smothered with a plastic bag.
- Bibles were found by both bodies.
- Chris was found in the basement. He hung himself with his weight equipment.
Given everything I've read so far, the only thing I can speculate was it was a "we're leaving - no your not" situation that went way too far. Without a note, we'll never really know.
I've lost alot of respect for Chris. I've followed his career for over a decade, and I've never heard anything but the best about him. Now, his legacy is in ruins, and lives are gone, and destroyed.
It's a damn shame.
- Nancy was bound, hand and foot. She was strangled with an electrical cord.
- Hours later, Daniel was smothered with a plastic bag.
- Bibles were found by both bodies.
- Chris was found in the basement. He hung himself with his weight equipment.
Given everything I've read so far, the only thing I can speculate was it was a "we're leaving - no your not" situation that went way too far. Without a note, we'll never really know.
I've lost alot of respect for Chris. I've followed his career for over a decade, and I've never heard anything but the best about him. Now, his legacy is in ruins, and lives are gone, and destroyed.
It's a damn shame.
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