I guess with all that I add from Okinawa Karate and some other systems mine is more of a highbreed but I still call it TKD. I guess if you take what some call TKD nowadays it is simple. So I will agree with both of you on that.
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I guess with all that I add from Okinawa Karate and some other systems mine is more of a highbreed but I still call it TKD. I guess if you take what some call TKD nowadays it is simple. So I will agree with both of you on that.
For someone to get a black belt, or any sort of rank like that, I feel that it should just state that you are really good at the basic techniques. I still see a black belt as a beginner, because that is when the "real" training begins.
A lot of people say this. Truth be told, I'd prefer the bar be set higher for earning a BB. At a minimum, it should mean you have some prospect at being effective in physical combat.
Terry,
a teachers kids WOULD be BB's by the time they are 12 or so. A kid off the street? no way, no how
, but I disagree, TKD is, comparativly, a simple martial art. There just isnt that much too it unless you add things.
Right on, hell, back in the day that I remember, green and brown belts were well respected. First degree black belt 40 years ago was expert, and they could prove it, with sparring, kata, and respect. Times do change, and I am not saying it is good or bad, what I am saying is I was there and I am here. Seeing is believing, in my book.I didn't say "master", I said "expert."
Old timers remember when being a "black belt" illicited respect because it did mean something. It's not until the developments of the last 20 - 30 years that the general public pretty much has no respect for it. Why do you think that is?
Most assuredly, we all know, I hope, that the level of brutality from many years past, to get a black belt, would not fly these days. There was a time that Black Belt meant you could fight very well. I say this because you had to fight to get promoted. There was no such thing as, well their kata looks good, and the attitude is good, and the time in grade is there, so promote them. I saw a lot of brown belts that never made it to black because they just could not hack it. It was well understood from white belt that black belt was not a given. That is why now a days there are still small discreet dojo that still adhere to old principles, if it is what you want, you can find them. :asian:A lot of people say this. Truth be told, I'd prefer the bar be set higher for earning a BB. At a minimum, it should mean you have some prospect at being effective in physical combat.
I agree with you on that wholeheartedly. That is probably one of the reasons it takes a lot of hard work to get a dan grade in BJJ or judo. Trial by "combat".
Even that is rapidly changing as you can now get BJJ rank online and I am sure there is a Judo equivalent doing it somewhere as well. :erg: (now that is just scary)
And that is when I move to the mountains somewhere and buy a shotgun.
Even that is rapidly changing as you can now get BJJ rank online and I am sure there is a Judo equivalent doing it somewhere as well. :erg: (now that is just scary)
Not sure I get the point of buying a online BJJ black belt...Surely you'd be humiliated on the mats at first opportunity by some purple belt? Man, it's way better to be a good white belt than an awful black belt.
I didn't say "master", I said "expert."
Old timers remember when being a "black belt" illicited respect because it did mean something. It's not until the developments of the last 20 - 30 years that the general public pretty much has no respect for it. Why do you think that is?
Sorry, in my book someone who is an 'expert' in something also has come close to mastering it. Different people define the terms differently.
I agree that BB doesn't mean today what it used to. But, it didn't mean what it did 20-30 years ago originally either. Americans placed THEIR definition on what it should mean and that became the standard.
Read the stories about how the Americans would beat all of the Okinawans in kumite and get their blackbelts for that and not based on their knowledge of the art. They knew the basics and were tough (mostly soldiers who knew hard times) and when they brought that back, they brought that basic training/drill instructor training with them. That was how Japanese karate was taught, it was taught to young people to train them for the military. It was not how okinawans trained their karate or passed it on.
I see both sides of the coin and realize that it should be somewhere in the middle. BB SHOULD denote a level of skill and ability to pass the knowledge onto others. But, I also don't think that you have to be some hardcore toughguy who gets "hazed" with broken bones etc. to show how tough they are. There should be a happy medium that has both.
Semantics aside, I think we're pretty much in agreement.
I just hate that the "black belt" has lost a lot of respect over the years in our culture at least.
The average in my (isshinryu) dojo is 9 years. Some faster, some slower.