My point was that when it was first "advertised" in this country. It was always that it was undefeated in competition. I don't think that they were implying that Kimura was of the same style at all. Most of the early accounts I read about the fight were how Kimura was SO MUCH bigger than Helio (height and weight). Yet if you watch the video they are about the same height, although it does appear Kimura was heavier.
Here is a clip of the fight, I believe it is narrated by Rorion. Listen to his "spin" on things. This is what I mean by their marketing, that is what I don't like.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSPL2BFepgU&feature=related
Helio fought Kato and was bigger than him in height/weight and it was such a big victory. Now, in the narration of the Kimura fight, they state that Helio KNEW he was going to lose the fight, but wanted to see what Kimura had. Then he goes on to say that if they were in the same weight class Helio would have won it. When Rickson lost in a Sambo tournament, there were excuses on him not knowing the rules. He lost plain and simple. When Royce got beat down by Matt Hughes it was Hughes only beat him by using BJJ. All of the "special rules" that they put into place for some of their Pride fights. When BJJ stylists started to lose in competitions on a more regular basis, I would hear how the BJJ person isn't REALLY using BJJ, they are only using a part of it for competition and not using it's strategies. Or it would be that the other person won because they used BJJ strategies.
I respect their contributions for what they have done, but what I do NOT like is how they belittle everyone else when they lose and make up excuses. I have NEVER heard one of them say that they lost because the other guy was a better fighter.
I have trained in BJJ and enjoy watching it, so I do not have anything against it as a style (money/time issues). But, it is the person that wins NOT the style. If I came down and beat your top guy, would you say that I was the better fighter or would you say that my style was better than yours?
The "soft mat" reference was a comment about Helio getting thrown several times, NOT on how BJJ works on a hard surface I understand the basic of BJJ and have some experience in it.
I agree completely with that. As I understand it, many of the early BJJ blackbelts also held blackbelts in Kodokan Judo. I know that Rolls Gracie, who most consider the best Gracie ever, crosstrained with Sambo, Judo and Wrestlers all the time. He incorporated things that would make his GJJ stronger and trained them. My only exposure to Judo was at a club that taught stand up throws one night, and the ne waza on another night, it was very balanced.
I think that Judo and now BJJ are started to suffer from the "sport only" aspect. Judo concentrated on only throws mainly in many places and lost the ground game, and many BJJ schools only train from their knees for sport competition.