If striking art starts sparring training on day one, there won't be any difference between striking art and grappling art.
You can google "三年拳不如当年跤" and then translate into English.
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You can google "三年拳不如当年跤" and then translate into English.
Xue Sheng
All weight is underside
I can say I've never heard that one before....and I AM old
三年拳不如当年跤 - 搜索结果 - 知乎
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大多数人练一年跤能轻松把人摔倒，练三年拳能打赢却很难把人迅速KO。这两种打起来，拳不能迅速KO跤，那就很容易被练跤的近身，拉入缠斗状态，拳脚难以发挥，进而摔倒，那基本上就输了；
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Most people after 1 year of grappling art training can take down their opponents. Most people after 3 years of striking art training may still have hard time to knock down their opponents. If you can't knock down your opponent, after a clinch has established, your opponent can take you down.
Flying Crane
Sr. Grandmaster
So…somebody in China wrote that on a website in Chinese, but it’s not any kind of ancient wisdom statement…三年拳不如当年跤 - 搜索结果 - 知乎
知乎，中文互联网高质量的问答社区和创作者聚集的原创内容平台，于 2011 年 1 月正式上线，以「让人们更好的分享知识、经验和见解，找到自己的解答」为品牌使命。知乎凭借认真、专业、友善的社区氛围、独特的产品机制以及结构化和易获得的优质内容，聚集了中文互联网科技、商业、影视、时尚、文化等领域最具创造力的人群，已成为综合性、全品类、在诸多领域具有关键影响力的知识分享社区和创作者聚集的原创内容平台，建立起了以社区驱动的内容变现商业模式。
大多数人练一年跤能轻松把人摔倒，练三年拳能打赢却很难把人迅速KO。这两种打起来，拳不能迅速KO跤，那就很容易被练跤的近身，拉入缠斗状态，拳脚难以发挥，进而摔倒，那基本上就输了；
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Most people after 1 year of grappling art training can take down their opponents. Most people after 3 years of striking art training may still have hard time to knock down their opponents. If you can't knock down your opponent, after a clinch has established, your opponent can take you down.
I don’t buy it as any kind of assumption. Ones mileage may vary.
Flying Crane
Sr. Grandmaster
I was 13 when I began my training, and my teacher made an exception for me. He didn’t normally accept youth. I guess I impressed him that I called him myself to inquire about the class, instead of having my mom call for me.
So on some level I feel like I owe youth of that age a chance, if I feel they are up for it. But I would insist that a parent or other family member age 18 or older would need to attend every class, even if they don’t participate themselves. There is just way too much stuff around adults acting inappropriately around kids, I want for there to be zero chance of someone making an accusation.
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Technology,
Get a camera system and broadcast your classes on your web sight for parents to view what's going on.
Wing Woo Gar
Senior Master
I’m not suggesting that he is babysitting. I am referring to the relatively large number of people that have approached me about training their child because they lack the ability to discipline their own progeny. I’m not interested in engaging people in this context. I’m not saying there is anything wrong with it, it just isn’t even close to my cup of tea.
Wing Woo Gar
Senior Master
That is a very valid statement. I never even considered the possibility of an accusation. I shall add it to my list of excuses and exemptions. I don’t say that I would make exceptions in the case of youth with unusual personality or ability, but it’s possible if the stars aligned. Or if the parent trains alongside. I do not allow spectators.
Wing Woo Gar
Senior Master
Ugh. The mere thought that such a thing is necessary is repugnant. I get it but ugh.
Wing Woo Gar
Senior Master
Are you growing your own stuff or do you get it in the dispensary?
Wing Woo Gar
Senior Master
What do you call modern wushu? Such a loaded word now. I’m going to guess my answer is not. I don’t speak Cantonese so I am way out of my depth in that regard.
Xue Sheng
All weight is underside
三年拳不如当年跤 - 搜索结果 - 知乎
知乎，中文互联网高质量的问答社区和创作者聚集的原创内容平台，于 2011 年 1 月正式上线，以「让人们更好的分享知识、经验和见解，找到自己的解答」为品牌使命。知乎凭借认真、专业、友善的社区氛围、独特的产品机制以及结构化和易获得的优质内容，聚集了中文互联网科技、商业、影视、时尚、文化等领域最具创造力的人群，已成为综合性、全品类、在诸多领域具有关键影响力的知识分享社区和创作者聚集的原创内容平台，建立起了以社区驱动的内容变现商业模式。
大多数人练一年跤能轻松把人摔倒，练三年拳能打赢却很难把人迅速KO。这两种打起来，拳不能迅速KO跤，那就很容易被练跤的近身，拉入缠斗状态，拳脚难以发挥，进而摔倒，那基本上就输了；
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Most people after 1 year of grappling art training can take down their opponents. Most people after 3 years of striking art training may still have hard time to knock down their opponents. If you can't knock down your opponent, after a clinch has established, your opponent can take you down.
From where, and when, does that originate?
Xue Sheng
All weight is underside
Wushu is the proper terminology for Traditional Chinese martial arts, Kung Fu came from a misunderstanding in translation. Modern Wushu is the stuff you see in Chinese Martial Arts forms competitions today. A lot of acrobatics, not so much practicality, athletically impressive though
In my personal experience, most martial arts schools of any size have poor standards.
However, there is a truth to what you're saying.
Having high standards can limit the size of your school, if you don't have good lesson planning, teaching methodology, instructor training, etc. If it's hard for your students to understand what your standards are or to learn how to meet those standards, then they'll get confused or discouraged or resentful and quit.
If a school sees that this is a limiting factor on their growth, they have a few options. They can settle for being small, they can lower their standards so they're easier for students to meet, or they can do a better job teaching class. Unfortunately, a lot of commercially successful large schools do the second one.
I have heard that old saying since I was a kid. I don't know where did this saying came from.
The 2nd part of old saying also said:
"一辈子跤不如十年拳"
translate:"If you train the grappling art all your life, you still cannot match against someone who trains striking art for 10 years."
The reason is simple. After you have developed your knock down power, wrestler will have disadvantage to match against you.
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To me, that whole saying feels backwards.
Why?
When a striker has not yet developed his "knock down power", he has nothing to fight with.
You have to enter the striking range before you can enter the grappling range. If a striker can knock you down in striking range, your grappling skill will be useless.
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Heck, John's been posting various versions of that saying for years. And he's old. And Chinese. And a martial artist ...so it is an old Chinese martial arts saying. So there!
Flying Crane
Sr. Grandmaster
I hold class outdoors In The park. I have no control over spectators. But it’s early in the morning, so the crowds are thin.
Flying Crane
Sr. Grandmaster
Modern Wushu was developed by the Chinese government In The 1950s based on older fighting methods. It is meant to be a performance and competition art based on forms that are more akin to a gymnastics floor routine with martial arts flavor. It is not meant to be a viable combat method, and is meant to be a Chinese cultural art form.
