Bait and Shoot controversy

[Tgace]

Well...the bird flew on development here about 60-100 years ago. And Cougar or Wolves in suburbia probably wont go over too well either.

 

[Feisty Mouse]

Well...the bird flew on development here about 60-100 years ago. And Cougar or Wolves in suburbia probably wont go over too well either.

DANG!

I keep hoping....

 

[Tgace]

DANG!

I keep hoping....

Would make for some interesting calls at work for me though.

 

[Feisty Mouse]

Believe it or not, my feeling is they're rats with hooves, and they belong on the table.

More in keeping with what you might expect is this: some of the problem comes from our insane destruction of natural habitat, and our insane eradication of natural predators on deer.

They're tasty, too. Or so sayeth Ted Nugent.

gank - have you ever seen actual rats with little "reindeer" antlers on them? Weird.

I bet deer taste a lot better, though.

Would make for some interesting calls at work for me though.

I can just imagine...!

 

[Tgace]

As it is, I have seen Coyote around town in the middle of the night. Those havent been around for decades.....

 

[rmcrobertson]

We would all be better off if a few more cunning little chows, poodles, and brats were entered into ye olde food chain.

 

[Tgace]

Maybe a liberal or two could get dragged into the weeds as well....hmmm your proposal has merit.

 

[rmcrobertson]

I'm kinda in favor--provided we rub Karl Rove with non-dairy creamer and b'ar grease first, and stake him out in the foothills first.

 

[OULobo]

This is exactly what is happening up here in a Cleveland suburb. Google Solon, OH and you can get the story. There are all kinds of marches, protests, law suits, ect. going on. The city just isn't buying it. They have continues with the sharpshooters through all the ruckus and now they are at 60% of the head count.

 

[Adept]

There are plenty of people that are equating these Deer to their family pets. Heck some of the deer are named by the local Bambi lovers.

Well, they just volunteered themselves for a preferred solution. If they protest on the basis that the deer is like their pet, then they just adopted it. Of course, they will have to make sure their backyard is a suitable environment, and if they don't own a back yard they will need to buy a property suitable for owning a deer. And of course, they will have to pay for all this themselves.

Or, they can just let the professionals do their jobs.

 

[Flatlander]

Considering the meat is going to a worthwhile cause, how could anyone argue with it? Some people need stuff to complain about, I guess.

 

[TonyM.]

A lot of towns in New Jersey and Maine have dealt with this by issuing eight or ten deer tags to each bow hunter and giving them permission to hunt closer than two hundred feet to a dwelling with permission from the land owners. Bow hunters tend to be (along with muzzleloaders) responsible hunters. Of course there are whack jobs in every sport.

 

[loki09789]

Considering the meat is going to a worthwhile cause, how could anyone argue with it? Some people need stuff to complain about, I guess.

There is a die hard interest group of people that are arguing the cruelty and the asthetics of hunting 'such a beautiful animal.'

TGACE is referring to the Cheektowaga issue but next door in Amherst/Williamsville there is also an issue of deer population booms. It is a mess. Too many people think that 'environmentalist' means that you don't 'manage' populations but you also don't acknowledge that town parks and golf courses are like a huge nature preserve that allows populations to boom unchecked.

This is the price of progress. You create perfect habitats for these animals and leave no predators (except us) to cull the population. So, we end up with cars hitting deer, illness/disease due to over populations, ....you name it. The biggest problem is the deer/car issue for me. I could care less about what they do to my petunias. It is pretty common (3 a week or more) to see a deer on the side of the road, dead and bloating because it was hit by a passing car. Expensive on insurance, injury, property....

 

[Adept]

Expensive on insurance, injury, property....

But it sure does save on meat for the freezer...

 

[Makalakumu]

After you hit a deer, the meat is filled with blood like a giant bruise. The hematoma ruins the meat. Most crashes can ruin an entire deer.

Although, I have heard that you still may grind it up for really fine ground venison...

So, I guess if you are looking to take a deer with your car, try and clip the then and knock it down. Then jump out and cut its throat. ; )

As fun as that sounds, I would rather use more traditional ways.

 

[Adept]

After you hit a deer, the meat is filled with blood like a giant bruise. The hematoma ruins the meat. Most crashes can ruin an entire deer.

Although, I have heard that you still may grind it up for really fine ground venison...

So, I guess if you are looking to take a deer with your car, try and clip the then and knock it down. Then jump out and cut its throat. ; )

As fun as that sounds, I would rather use more traditional ways.

Well, most of the roadkill we take home is for the dogs (my parents have over 25 dogs). We only take something home for human consumption if it was hit near the front end, and we usually just jump out and take off the legs, leaving the rest in the bushes. Living in the country leaves you prepared for this kinda stuff.

 

[OULobo]

Well, most of the roadkill we take home is for the dogs (my parents have over 25 dogs). We only take something home for human consumption if it was hit near the front end, and we usually just jump out and take off the legs, leaving the rest in the bushes. Living in the country leaves you prepared for this kinda stuff.

When I was still in college at a rural town in Appalacia, a friend hit a deer on the way home from a night with the "city folk". The deputy arrived, shot the deer, asked my buddy if he wanted it, and then called a friend to pick it up for a few dinners on the house. I guess the damage doen't ruin the meat too much, cause this guy looked real happy (and hicky) when he got there.

 

[Makalakumu]

Who processed the deer?

Meat that is filled with blood becomes hard because the blood congeals sort of like a scab. You can't chew the meat, it actually hurts your teeth!

Like I said, I have ground up the hematoma to make it edible.

Anyway, these animal rights fanatics are the left's answer to christian fundamental right wing fanatics. Neither have opinions that are somewhat reasonable and both flip out about the normal stuff people do.

Like hunting.

upnorthkyosa

 

[Tgace]

I think we have found some common ground.

 

[Makalakumu]

I think we have found some common ground.

And if you think about it, both have a little in common. They are anachronists.

On the left, you've got these people who oppose all animal testing...which would set back modern medicine. You've also got people that say we should give up technology and live simpler...like cavemen.

And then on the right, you've got this push to go back to this time when things were better, more christian, like when they burned people or something.

Meanwhile the deer multiply and wander the city streets. This is something, that as a boy, I thought I would never see. Heck, if I saw that, I might think I was dreaming...deer deer everywhere would kinda sounds like a happy place called heaven! They just weren't that common 20-25 years ago.

One point that has been left out so far is the fact that many state DNRs manage deer for license money. The more deer a hunter takes, the more money they rake in. I am not entirely opposed to this, because as an outdoorsman, I benefit directly from the programs that they enact, yet this factor contributes mightily to the overpopulation problem. The bottom line is that any reduction in the number deer is going to reduce the budgets of many state DNRs.