Still, learning an improper way to roll for your martial system can take some times years to unlearn and you may be stuck with it for life. I personally have witnessed people unable to shake their previous training and it has affected them.
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Still, learning an improper way to roll for your martial system can take some times years to unlearn and you may be stuck with it for life. I personally have witnessed people unable to shake their previous training and it has affected them.
When doing a forward roll do you roll on your spine? Do you roll on your shoulders? Do you do both? If so then what is the basic mechanic of that roll? It's going to either be on the along the spin or across the spine. I don't know of any other way to get into forward roll other than things that we should do, such as using the neck or face to start the roll.There are certain mechanics that are going to be good regardless of style. However, some styles do things differently based on that systems methods and needs. The parkour video above is a good example. What he is doing has merit but would teach a Takamatsuden practitioner some bad habits that they would have to unlearn.
In class, I'm generally have some trouble doing the forward roll, since not too long ago I tried front-flipping on my bed, and nearly sprained my neck (sad, right?), and now I can't even do a roll. So, can someone like, go through it step by step? Thanks!
The problem with learning anything is that if you practice it over and over again it will be there and may take a long time to unlearn it and replace it with a better method. Of course this may differ based on the individual. Certainly people can do it and have done it but..... that doesn't mean that it is the optimum way to learn. Why not just learn it correctly in your system from the start? So what I said in the above quotes is still correct.
Budo Taijutsu rolls are different then say if you were learning BJJ breakfalls and rolls or Judo, parkour, etc. They are not exactly the same. While certain fundamental movements may be similar there are differences. For instance in the Takamatsuden arts you have to learn to roll or breakfall with a weapon in your hand as it is primarily a tool based system. So learning the parkour version in the previous page would do any Takamatsuden practitioner a disservice in the long run. Instead they should learn the "correct way" for their system from their instructor.
I don't know what is hard to understand from the above???
It is easier to unlearn a roll once you have the confidence to actually roll.
If you never get that starting concept you will struggle.
The biggest trick in learning how to do a forward roll is you have to already know how to roll.
A lot of acro is like that.
The mechanics are the same as our roll. I'm going to play with that as a good starting point for students. Might be easier to stay inside the roll with that hand attached.This is the version I like but it is different to a lot of martial arts versions. Having said that if you can do one sort of roll. It will help you get other variations.
I've not seen a functional front roll that wouldn't work with what we do in NGA (except for a tumbling roll that goes straight over the head), so I see this the way you do, DB. However, I don't know the roll they are discussing, and it's possible they need some specific elements that I don't, and learning the roll the wrong way might cause an issue. The closest I can come would be if someone came in with that tumbling roll, it would take more time to adjust that to free up an arm and get the head outside than to start them from scratch.I have never witnessed that. Normally if a person can roll they get the variation in about 5 minutes.
Certainly not years.
If they cant roll. Then they have to get over that initial issue. Still not years. But a lot more class time.
I remember when a stage actor came into a Bujinkan school and wanted to learn. He had spent many years learning poorly executed stage breakfalls and swordsmanship that was not compatible with Budo Taijutsu. After having a very difficult time and realizing that his previous habits would take quite some time to unlearn he basically gave up and moved on. It was not for lack of trying on his part or lack of the teacher's really trying to help him.
It's not necessarily a matter of not wanting to let go. Here's an example: I changed the back roll I teach (from the one I learned from my instructors). My wife used the old roll for 8 years, then had a few years away from it. She has now been doing the new roll for about 2 years. She still does the old version out of habit about 20% of the time. In this case, it's inconsequential, because both work for our art. And she has never resisted the new roll - she actually likes it better.The stage actor, that sounds like a personal thing. Where the stage actor didn't want to let go of what he knew and learn a different way. This is different than breaking a bad habit. If someone says, here I will show you how to do a different breakfall, then you learn the different breakfall. The mindset should be the same if I show you 5 different punching techniques. You learn 5 different punching techniques and no one ever claims, that bad habit stopped them from learning 5 different punching techniques. Put them in a different system and such as Muay Thai then that person learn the attacks of Muay Thai.
Your wife's situation is different. She learned the new roll technique correct? Then the old technique didn't make it harder for her to learn the new, and she does the new roll 80% of the time which is good. If the roll that she does 20% of the time is correct technique and the roll that she does 80% of the time is correct technique. Then your wife is 100% correct technique when she uses either roll. What your wife has is an option to do 2 things correctly.It's not necessarily a matter of not wanting to let go. Here's an example: I changed the back roll I teach (from the one I learned from my instructors). My wife used the old roll for 8 years, then had a few years away from it. She has now been doing the new roll for about 2 years. She still does the old version out of habit about 20% of the time. In this case, it's inconsequential, because both work for our art. And she has never resisted the new roll - she actually likes it better.
He's an actor so why would he get rid of break falls that are designed to look good for the stage? Think about it. If you worked as an actor and you were taught to do breakfalls that looked good for the movies, then why would you let go of that?He trained for years learning breakfalls that work on a stage are not really designed to be effective. In other words they are designed to look good for the crowd. He just could not shake what he had learned.
Actually, it did make it hard for her to learn it. It took her longer than the new students to get the new version. And no, she's not 100% correct. She still has a hesitation part of the time. The difference between the two isn't as big (nor as important) as the difference Brian's student was dealing with. If her old roll wasn't functional, I wouldn't be able to let her take techniques that require a back roll.Your wife's situation is different. She learned the new roll technique correct? Then the old technique didn't make it harder for her to learn the new, and she does the new roll 80% of the time which is good. If the roll that she does 20% of the time is correct technique and the roll that she does 80% of the time is correct technique. Then your wife is 100% correct technique when she uses either roll. What your wife has is an option to do 2 things correctly.
I can promise you that the 20% would fall to zero if she believes the old roll to be incorrect. We hold onto things that we believe are correct and useful and get rid of the things that we believe to be wrong and useless.