Any Sulsa out there?

[dohap]

also not You to be honest...
so the book is different than this from Korea... only main schema is the same.

about ninjutsu: boom was in 80s, but it was not the beginning of ninja in US.

Every nation got its own "special" squads, some ninja clans came to Japan from outside, so I would really be glad if there were any evidences of sulsa in history. Any other than WHRDA. If You got any, please post it here.

 

[Hwarang]

Not sure if I should laugh or cry

 

[dohap]

none of these, please..
just put some stuff not from whrda.
any old book? manual? writtings? quotes from old books? well-known national tales?

if You do this, nobody anymore will threat Your posts as whrda's, but as historian's.
so neither cry nor laugh.

BTW: Echanis is in Sulsa gear? What makes it "sulsa's"? black boots? black uniform (I thought it should be dark blue...)? black hat? or black glasses? or black cloth? or ninja suit?
And what about the title: "brothers of the ninja,warriors of the night"? Still claim ninja were unknown in US in 70s?

 

[arnisador]

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=286340

Sulsa in Michael DeAlba's Farang Mu Sul. If I understand correctly, Mr. DeAlba is a HRD instructor who left the organization and started his own system. He may have been asked to leave. There's more on his and the HRD web sites.

 

[dohap]

yes, but it's still the same source about sulsa.
I try to get sth from older documents, tales et c.

 

[Hwarang]

>> just put some stuff not from whrda.
any old book? manual? writtings? quotes from old books? well-known national tales?
if You do this, nobody anymore will threat Your posts as whrda's, but as historian's. <<

I think I have posted this in some post already, I have actually seen a reference to Sulsa. I think it was in Koryo Sa, but I'm not sure I never wrote it down. It was very short, and was not a 'ninja-tale', just a short note. I'm not going to go through the sources again though. If that's a problem for you you'll have to try to live with it.

>> BTW: Echanis is in Sulsa gear? What makes it "sulsa's"? <<

The text? For instance
"Specialist Echanis has been given permission by our very pragmatic military to instruct a portion of our vital fighting forces in the ancient ways of hwa rang do. More exactly, he shows them the secrets of the hwarang sul sa, the "magical" technicians of Hwa rang do, whose prime counterparts in the Asian world of long ago were the famed ninja of Japan." etc, etc...
The Sulsa mask is very different from the Ninja mask, you don't know? We don't use the Japanese shoes with the big toe - don't you know?

>> And what about the title: "brothers of the ninja,warriors of the night"? Still claim ninja were unknown in US in 70s? <<

How old are you Dohap? Of course Ninja was known in America in the 70ies.
My point is that if Hwarang Do started teaching Sulsa during the Ninja boom in the 80ies, then you could suspect it was a marketing counter ("people wants Ninja, ok our Shotokan Karate is Ninja" etc). But Hwarang Do was already teaching Sulsa in the military in 1977, so how do you see Sulsa as a "marketing "counter" for ninjutsu"?

 

[dohap]

the point is when the ninja boom happened... I believe before sulsa, but You can remember better, of course.

I know sulsa wear: do You see any of these in Echanis military uniform?
So he is in whatever "special black" gear... these glasses also don't look like sulsa's.

if You can put here some links to sulsa history I will be really greateful, no joking.

 

[shesulsa]

... so I would really be glad if there were any evidences of sulsa in history. Any other than WHRDA. If You got any, please post it here.

It is nearly impossible to obtain verifiable, factual history about anything anywhere - especially in Asia where, when state governments changed, historical documents were ordered destroyed (and sometimes rewritten) by new regimes and dynasties. All any of us can rely on is "his story" ( aka history, get it?) and the INTENTIONS of those who bring us stealth and hand-to-hand knowledge, technique and art.

Appreciating history is one thing - honoring it is another. Now...do you have the spirit?

 

[dohap]

You are young and obviously don't remember the facts connected with creating so-called "sulsa".
Don't mix spirit with "creative history".
It was enough to say "I created this whole art" instead of writing BS.

 

[dosandojang]

I am with Master Bob D. on this one.

 

[dohap]

exactly.

 

[shesulsa]

You are young and obviously don't remember the facts connected with creating so-called "sulsa".
Don't mix spirit with "creative history".
It was enough to say "I created this whole art" instead of writing BS.

My point was to encourage people who love HRD but are not affiliated with WHRDA to fight on and continue. And I'm not as young as you think, thanks all the same.

 

[sojobow]

My point was to encourage people who love HRD but are not affiliated with WHRDA to fight on and continue. And I'm not as young as you think, thanks all the same.

Looking into the relationship between China, Korea and Japan between 300b.c. and 1400 a.d.. Trying to make sense of the early development of Sulsa, Ninjitsu/Ninjutsu, chinese Ninjutsu, Sun Tsu etc. Do you think Sulsa/Ninjutsu etc came about in these countries/regions due to imagration or development unique to each region with no relationship to either?

Also, what / where is the better sources of Sulsa's early history on the WWW/web. Thanks.

Basic ongoing discussion here:
http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16833

Thanx.