Accidental shootings of children are being undercounted.

[arnisador]

because you don't like and don't understand firearms.

Ah yes, the NRA at its finest. May I similarly infer that you don't like and don't understand statistics?

 

[Tgace]

The NRA is to lib's as the ACLU is to con's.

I guess it all depends on what rights you want to allow others to possess and what ones you want to take away....

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[arnisador]

The NRA is to lib's as the ACLU is to con's.

That's fair.

The thread was about whether the numbers we're using when we discuss this are correct. Disputing the relevance of the number before its size is settled is what I'm having trouble following.

 

[ballen0351]

That's fair.

The thread was about whether the numbers we're using when we discuss this are correct. Disputing the relevance of the number before its size is settled is what I'm having trouble following.

So again I ask what's the numbers? Few hundred? Few thousand? 10000's?

 

[arnisador]

So again I ask what's the numbers? Few hundred? Few thousand? 10000's?

We don't know because of inconsistent reporting standards.

 

[ballen0351]

We don't know because of inconsistent reporting standards.

So it could be less?

Whats your opinion how much is under reported?

 

[arnisador]

Whats your opinion how much is under reported?

I'm not in a position to say. Consult the article in post #1.

 

[ballen0351]

I'm not in a position to say. Consult the article in post #1.

So your point was lets post a non-story and then blame everything else on the NRA.:s441:

 

[Big Don]

So your point was lets post a non-story and then blame everything else on the NRA.:s441:

Well, duh.
What are you, New?

 

[arnisador]

Whats your opinion how much is under reported?

How could I know the magnitude of what medical examiners are misreporting? That's why more research by those with access to the data and an ability to affect the standards is needed.

So your point was lets post a non-story and then blame everything else on the NRA.:s441:

Childish. You haven't looked at the actual issue--you simply continue to engage in knee-jerk denial of anything that might seem critical of gun culture.

 

[ballen0351]

How could I know the magnitude of what medical examiners are misreporting? That's why more research by those with access to the data and an ability to affect the standards is needed.


Childish. You haven't looked at the actual issue--you simply continue to engage in knee-jerk denial of anything that might seem critical of gun culture.

Because its a non issue. Double even triple the number its still such a small %. You can't stop accidents they are accidents. You have 100s of millions of guns and 100s of millions of people and at most a few 1000 accidents a year.
But I'll play your silly fear mongering game
Solution teach kids about guns in school insteadof suspending them for eating a ppop tart wrong.

 

[billc]

Hmmm...some who want more gun control want the CDC to have more power in studying gun deaths...hmmm...

http://dailycaller.com/2013/11/06/c...trol-data-refutes-new-anti-gun-studys-claims/

The misinformation...

Firearm-related deaths among children have decreased since the mid-1990s, but new research heralded by gun control supporters claims the opposite. A research abstract entitled United States Childhood Gun-Violence – Disturbing Trends, presented during the American Academy of Pediatrics National Conference & Exhibitions by physicians Arin L. Madenci and Christopher B. Weldon, claims that from 1997 to 2009, in-hospital deaths of children resulting from gunshot wounds increased nearly 60 percent, and hospitalizations of children for gunshot wounds increased 80 percent.

The study in question uses data from several editions of the Kids’ Inpatient Database (KID), which contains information on only pediatric hospitalizations. However, data reported by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) show that firearm-related deaths among persons aged 0-14 years actually decreased 39 percent from 1997 to 2009, and decreased 45 percent if the trend is carried through 2010, the most recent year for which data are available.
One glaring mistake in the study’s abstract, is that it fails to stipulate what ages it includes in its definition of “children.” As longtime readers well know, anti-gun advocates have often exaggerated the number of firearm-related deaths among children by counting deaths among juveniles and young adults ages 15-19 along with those among children. However, firearm-related deaths among all persons ages 0-19 decreased 33 percent through 2009 and 37 percent through 2010.
More importantly, the per capita rate of such deaths has decreased to an even greater extent. Among persons ages 0-14, it dropped 44 percent from 1997 to 2009, and 48 percent from 1997 to 2010, while among all persons ages 0-19 it dropped 42 percent through 2009 and 45 percent through 2010.

And the response by the government/democrat/obama/gun grabber media...

Some of the media coverage of Madenci and Weldon’s presentation gives the impression that accidental firearm deaths among children are a growing problem. NBC’s coverage was typical, highlighting the case of a three-year-old who died tragically after finding an unsecured firearm under his parents’ bed.

The reality...

In reality, from 1997 to 2010, the rate of firearm accident deaths decreased 62 percent among children (ages 0-14), 69 percent among ages 15-17, and 62 percent among ages 18-19.

The CDC’s data show that the country is trending in the right direction and has been for some time. The fact that this trend is occurring alongside an increase in the number of privately owned firearms should help to divorce some from the notion that more guns inherently mean more gun deaths.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/11/06/c...tes-new-anti-gun-studys-claims/#ixzz2jvV3IQN6

 

[Tames D]

Because its a non issue. Double even triple the number its still such a small %. You can't stop accidents they are accidents. You have 100s of millions of guns and 100s of millions of people and at most a few 1000 accidents a year.
But I'll play your silly fear mongering game
Solution teach kids about guns in school insteadof suspending them for eating a ppop tart wrong.

I know this has been said before in one way or another, but I'll say it again. Guns are legal, cars are legal, airplanes are legal, trains are legal, sports are legal. People get hurt and killed as a result of these LEGAL things. Why are guns singled out everytime and targeted for banning?

 

[arnisador]

Guns are legal, cars are legal, airplanes are legal, trains are legal, sports are legal. People get hurt and killed as a result of these LEGAL things. Why are guns singled out everytime and targeted for banning?

Are all those things equally well regulated? Is it easier to get a gun license, a driver's license, a pilot's license, a railroad engineer's license, or a pro sports contract?

How often do people playing sports kill numerous people not playing or attending a sports event? How often is a child accidentally run over by an airplane?

And, banning is not what's being suggested. Everything else you mentioned has had mandated safety improvements over the years... except guns.

Meanwhile, this thread is about getting the numbers right whether you think the numbers matter or not. I'm surprised that anyone would find it controversial to suggest we should discuss these things with accurate rather than inaccurate data.

 

[ballen0351]

Are all those things equally well regulated? Is it easier to get a gun license, a driver's license,

100% wrong

Drivers license requirements
16 yeas old

Hand gun license
21 yes old

DL
No waiting period

Gun
7 to 10 days however right now due to paperwork back logs you can wait up to 2 months

DL
No restrictions turn 16 go apply

Gun
Severally restricted based on past records, mental health records, age,

DL
Don't even need a license to buy a car

Gun
Can't buy a gun without a complete background

 

[Tames D]

Are all those things equally well regulated? Is it easier to get a gun license, a driver's license, a pilot's license, a railroad engineer's license, or a pro sports contract?

How often do people playing sports kill numerous people not playing or attending a sports event? How often is a child accidentally run over by an airplane?

And, banning is not what's being suggested. Everything else you mentioned has had mandated safety improvements over the years... except guns.

Meanwhile, this thread is about getting the numbers right whether you think the numbers matter or not. I'm surprised that anyone would find it controversial to suggest we should discuss these things with accurate rather than inaccurate data.

Are you serious? How do I even respond to this?

 

[Tgace]

Its taking over a year to get a pistol permit in NY these days. Not even the DMV is that bad....

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[Big Don]

Its taking over a year to get a pistol permit in NY these days. Not even the DMV is that bad....

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Which is shameful for a few reasons, like, driving not being a constitutional right...

 

[arnisador]

I know this has been said before in one way or another, but I'll say it again. Guns are legal, cars are legal, airplanes are legal, trains are legal, sports are legal. People get hurt and killed as a result of these LEGAL things. Why are guns singled out everytime and targeted for banning?

Are you serious? How do I even respond to this?

You chose the comparison, Senator.

 

[arnisador]

Drivers license requirements
16 yeas old

Hand gun license
21 yes old

DL
No waiting period

Gun
7 to 10 days however right now due to paperwork back logs you can wait up to 2 months

DL
No restrictions turn 16 go apply

Gun
Severally restricted based on past records, mental health records, age,

DL
Don't even need a license to buy a car

Gun
Can't buy a gun without a complete background

In most states at 16 years old you can only get a limited license due to the graduated driver's license laws. There is required supervised driving time and a variety of restrictions on when, and with whom, you can drive. Can we try this with guns? In many cases there is a mandatory waiting period during which you have only a Learner's Permit. For a DL you do generally need at least a limited physical exam--see previous link and note that at a minimum there will be eyesight restrictions. (In NYS I generally had to read an optometrist's chart to get my DL issued or renewed.) Certainly it is the case that there are age-based restrictions.

But the big thing is you have to take a safety knowledge test and a practical test. Can we get that for guns?