Its not about how high or low his guard is that tells you whether he is baiting you in..... its the rest of the context that tells you that.
A little research - What do you see when your opponent drops their high guard?
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Only a beginner will have his boxing guards up when his opponent is 10 feet away. When you are outside of your opponent's kicking range, the first thing that you have to deal with should be his kick and not his punch.
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I wonder. I would think that the application of a bait is to not look like a bait. So in looking at the context of things. One would assume that it's not a bait and fall for it.
For example:The guy on the left is open. But I could be in the same position and not be open. The thing that makes this position a bait for me is not when my hands are like this but what comes after.
The guy on the right would be open for me. Even if he was baiting, my follow up would have still landed. By the tie time my arm crossed my body then my second strike would have already been on it's way. Below you can see m
The picture below shows when I start my kick. I started my kick while his guard was still down because I knew he would go for my face and creating the opening that you see above he
In the image below he maintains his guard. So he falls for one but not the other. Do any of the pictures of me sparring make you want to take a chance to punch me or kick me in the face?
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Ranges change so quickly though; a person can be outside kicking and striking range in one second and be within range within the same second. One of my strategies is to attack outside of kicking and striking range while advancing. I do this knowing that I can move a greater distance towards my opponent than they realize. The strategy starts of like this.
Throw a long punch and advance - My opponent knows I'm out of range.
Throw a second shorter punch and advance. My opponent thinks he's out of range because the second punch didn't reach. It didn't reach because I intentionally shortened the punch to make it appear out range.
Throw a third attack. All punches and kicks are well within range.
This sounds crazy but keep in mind that these are long fist circular strikes and not jabs. I don't know if it would work the same with linear punches.. With circular punches the range of the punch can be increased or decreased by allowing the shoulder to move forward for longer strikes or keep the shoulder from moving forward to shorten the strike.
It is not an equation.... if(hands are this high) then (attack this target) else if (hands are this other height) then (attack other target). How did his hands get there and why.... what are his intentions....?
Assuming you are the guy in the black t shirt.... Let's take that first pic where your kick is waist level.
If, you are initiating that position, moving in to deliver that kick, at that distance, going for the face would be a mistake. However, if you have just delivered the kick, and I blocked it and sent you back into that position, such that you are recovering, but off balance.... I may go for the head shot, if I thought I could get there before your foot landed. (this would depend greatly on how you reacted to the block.... if I sensed pain or surprise at the block I would be more apt to go for the head shot, if you expected or were indifferent to the block I would hold back)
If I were a little closer, such that a quick jab could snap your head back, and you were initiating that kick, I would fire the jab.... but the distance shown in the picture is way to far away for the jab....
Pictures show more context.... but you really need to see the motion, and feel the other guy out. Very hard to do with out a little hands on work.
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I was outside of my jab range but I was well within his jab range. The guy I was sparring with is much taller than me.
The thing about front kicks is that thit's a good inside kick. Another sparring partner. This kick was done while I was moving backwards. He's within punching range which is why he got kicked. He punched at me and I kicked under his punch. So the front kickds that I do don't push out like a teep., It swings upward.
This is the normal kicking range for me. The top picture is about as long as it gets.. I can kick it out longer than that, but it defeats the purpose when the goal is to kick under a punch. In order for me to kick under a punch, I have to be within my opponents punching range or else he won't punch.
To give you an example of how close I kick. I can't remember when I practiced a kick front kick that was outside of punching range. There's a front kick that I do to bait a leg grab. When they catch my front kick, I shoot the kick down into their knee which should be straight, I like that one but it's one of those things I can't ever really land without injuring my sparring partners.
Hence my comments on context and seeing things in motion and feeling your opponent.
I could counter and say "my jab would work, because I am faster and would be in closer" but without being there to see how you move, how you react.... its just talk. From reading your posts here for years.... I expect it would be very hard for me to get the distance I would need for the jab... you would be keeping me out a bit further.
So, then we revert to the stuff I said before talking about the jab.... is the kick coming in, did you initiate the pose? is the kick going out and are you reacting to my block? What was your reaction to the block? Add to this, I need to see how fast you react, how you move when you react, how you move in general, how aggressive are you..... do you lay traps?
It all factors in.
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Thanks for sharing your perspective on your approach. That information is still useful. It something I can look out for when I start experimenting. Not trick that approach but to see if I can identify when it happens.
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Should be. I don't want to trick that approach but I want to be able to identify when it happens. I want to know when someone is scanning and how long they are scanning.
I'm glad we have video. I'm not sure what I'll find but I'm curious to see what I discover.
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You should be aware of more than just a hand (“context”). As you approach the fight zone, you cover the lane from the opponent’s hands to your face. In every fight, there is physics involving you and an attacker which include distance, timing and position whether one realizes it or not. These physics and principles are taught at the highest levels of combat sports and MAs.
You want to lead and control your opponent rather than react to feints, enter the fight zone then get attacked.
Per physics, false. Anyone is open in that moment/position. There is verifiable evidence that people are open to KOs when their hands are down in the fight zone.
Your video is a good example.
- You opponent throw a right hook.
- You the throw a left hook (or left cross).
- When your opponent's left hook pass in front of your head (he just open himself up), your left punch hit his head.
If you can catch that good timing, his right hook will be too late to come back to block your left punch. That is what I would call a "real opening" that you can only feel it and you cannot see it.
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Wing Woo Gar
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Same.
Depends on what's going on at that exact moment. I expect to see a guard lowered when the distance increases. Other than that I'm not paying too much attention to it. The people that really give me pause are the ones who have the whole body guard thing going on. It's not just the arms. Their whole body has an air of impenetrability to it.
You can also pay attention on your opponent's weight distribution. The moment that he puts more weight on his leading leg, the moment that you can sweep his leg, or kick his leading leg knee. This can make a fight simple. If your opponent can't put weight on his leading leg, he can't punch you.
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This is a little one sided to me. Even if you know what you should be doing, your opponent will be doing things to make you do stuff that you shouldn't do.
CMA has a habit of hiding the hand that they will hit you with. The reason why they hide the hand is so you aren't paying attention to it. For me personally I often strike with the thing my opponent is least paying attention to. If I drop my hand it's because I want you to see it drop. or I want you to think you can throw a punch in the opening created by the drop.
If you and I were sparring you would get the same treatment that I give everyone. I would try to make you do the things that you shouldn't be doing.
I know people read the dropping of the hands differently but I'm curious about what types of drops are ignored vs the types of drops that stay on the radar.
There are levels to fighting. Your videos show how people react, defend against and KO an opponent that loads and drops their hands in the fight zone. Per physics, the one that has their hands up has an advantage...
If your opponent has hands up, you won't punch him. you will kick him. So, what advantage can your opponent have?
Boxing guard can expose the body.
You omitted the specific video clip and context. I have an advantage with my fist close to your face when your hand is down and body turned (position).
There are levels to fighting. Your videos show how people react, defend against and KO an opponent that loads and drops their hands in the fight zone. Per physics, the one that has their hands up has an advantage...
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Yes. I'm curious about the reaction to the hand drop. I have a theory about certain martial arts techniques but I need to see the various ways people react seeing the hand drop.There are levels to fighting. Your videos show how people react, defend against and KO an opponent that loads and drops their hands in the fight zone. Per physics, the one that has their hands up has an advantage...
I need to take note on when that reaction starts and when it ends. Based on some of the feedback from others, I need to also watch if it makes my opponent more cautious or less cautious. What type of drops trigger and what types of drops get ignored.
All of the drops that I'll test will come from various martial arts techniques and systems.
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