5 reasons TaeKwonDo as a system (not individual techniques) breaks down in a Muay Thai ring

[Kung Fu Wang]

Was the topless bar before or after you moved on?

That whole building has 2 parts. The left part was Jhoon's school. Later on it became the topless bar. The right part became a Kempo school. When the Kempo school moved out, I took over as my school. When I had my class, I could hear the music next door.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

This is a good clip. It sends out positive energy. I'm glad that I can still stretch on the floor as he does.

I want to try the 100 push up within 1 minute and see if I can still do it when I'm 80. That sound like a good goal.

Why said that old person cannot kick high?

 

[Gerry Seymour]

That whole building has 2 parts. The left part was Jhoon's school. Later on it became the topless bar. The right part became a Kempo school. When the Kempo school moved out, I took over as my school. When I had my class, I could hear the music next door.

So, you're saying your school was in a topless bar. Admit it.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

So, you're saying your school was in a topless bar. Admit it.

There was still a wall in between. Believe it or not, behind that build was a monastery.

 

[Gerry Seymour]

There was still a wall in between. Believe it or not, behind that build was a monastery.

Quite the neighborhood you were in!

How big was the dojo (I forget the Chinese word)?

 

[Flying Crane]

It's Todds fault.

Damn Todd, that bastard!

 

[RTKDCMB]

It's as if father of American TaeKwondo is a good thing

Hmm, why would founding a martial art in a country be a good thing?

 

[RTKDCMB]

I have already answered that question multiple times. I don't live in the US. It is not a daycare center over here.

 

[JR 137]

There was still a wall in between. Believe it or not, behind that build was a monastery.

How many peep holes were there in that wall?
Did you guys go next door and practice on the guys who didn't keep their hands off?
Did you bring your students next door to research flexibility techniques?
How many times did students miss class, yet their car was parked right out front?

I could keep going, but it's getting late.

 

[JR 137]

I have already answered that question multiple times. I don't live in the US. It is not a daycare center over here.

How many TKD schools, "daycare" or otherwise, have you trained in in the US? How many in whatever country you're in?

 

[elder999]

It's Todds fault.

It's Lisa's fault!!!!!!!!
Always wanted to say that!!

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

Quite the neighborhood you were in!

How big was the dojo (I forget the Chinese word)?

Jhoon's side was big. It was a Bowling alley. My side was not very big. May be 1500 sq ft. I only paid $275 per month back in 1973.

 

[Kung Fu Wang]

How many peep holes were there in that wall?
Did you guys go next door and practice on the guys who didn't keep their hands off?
Did you bring your students next door to research flexibility techniques?
How many times did students miss class, yet their car was parked right out front?

I could keep going, but it's getting late.

When it was still a Kempo school, one night I dropped by before I took it over, one assistant instructor asked all the students to stay in horse stance. He then went next door to have a drink. That Kempo school used the old students teach new students policy.

 

[Xue Sheng]

It's Lisa's fault!!!!!!!!
Always wanted to say that!!

Wasn't there even a smilie for that back in the MT ancient time.

 

[Axiom]

Maybe so, but why are you blaming Jhoon Rhee for what the president of your Federation in Europe does? Why not blame the president of your Federation?

Moving the Goalposts You asked me how I know that TKD (at least my lineage) has turned a martial art into an operating business first and foremost. Now you want to start a blaming game.

As for General Choi views on comercialization: 07:22

"When one teaches TaeKwondo, one should not think about money." Even though I have taught a number of disciples in my life time, I have never recieved money"

"If I recieve money from teaching at a dojang, it is not a true dojang, it's just a business."

"If you want to become a great master, do not ask for money more than what you need for survival"

 

[TrueJim]

Moving the Goalposts You asked me how I know that TKD (at least my lineage) has turned a martial art into an operating business first and foremost.

No sir. I asked you what you meant when you said that Jhoon Rhee had degraded U.S. taekwondo by "commercializing" it.

You answered by explaining that the president of your federation gives away belts like candy.

I responded by saying: Why blame Jhoon Rhee for what the president of your federation does?

And now you're responded by pretending that the original question was different.

 

[TrueJim]

As for General Choi views on comercialization: 07:22

"When one teaches TaeKwondo, one should not think about money." Even though I have taught a number of disciples in my life time, I have never recieved money"

"If I recieve money from teaching at a dojang, it is not a true dojang, it's just a business."

"If you want to become a great master, do not ask for money more than what you need for survival"

The expenses associated with running a typical dojang include:

• Monthly facility lease
• Local permits and licenses
• Insurance
• Utilities (heat, water, electric, etc.)
• Training equipment and training supplies
• Office and janitorial supplies
• Taxes
• Wages for instructors and staff, including related payroll expenses such as taxes and insurance
• If the school has its own vehicles, then also vehicle costs: loan payments, taxes, insurance, registration

After paying those dojang costs, the head of the school then needs to pay his own personal expenses:

• Mortgage payments on the home
• Insurance
• Utilities
• Taxes
• Groceries
• Personal vehicle costs

And of course after paying for all of that, the head of the school had better be putting away some money for:

• Your children's college fund
• Your retirement

General Choi said you should not ask for more money than what you need for survival. The above list is the costs that are needed for "survival".

 

[Axiom]

No sir. I asked you what you meant when you said that Jhoon Rhee had degraded U.S. taekwondo by "commercializing" it.

You answered by explaining that the president of your federation gives away belts like candy.

I responded by saying: Why blame Jhoon Rhee for what the president of your federation does?

And now you're responded by pretending that the original question was different.

I have answered what commercializing means and how I know it's in effect.

 

[Axiom]

The expenses associated with running a typical dojang include:

• Monthly facility lease
• Local permits and licenses
• Insurance
• Utilities (heat, water, electric, etc.)
• Training equipment and training supplies
• Office and janitorial supplies
• Taxes
• Wages for instructors and staff, including related payroll expenses such as taxes and insurance
• If the school has its own vehicles, then also vehicle costs: loan payments, taxes, insurance, registration

After paying those dojang costs, the head of the school then needs to pay his own personal expenses:

• Mortgage payments on the home
• Insurance
• Utilities
• Taxes
• Groceries
• Personal vehicle costs

And of course after paying for all of that, the head of the school had better be putting away some money for:

• Your children's college fund
• Your retirement

General Choi said you should not ask for more money than what you need for survival. The above list is the costs that are needed for "survival".

And your point is?

 

[RTKDCMB]

"When one teaches TaeKwondo, one should not think about money." Even though I have taught a number of disciples in my life time, I have never recieved money"

"If I recieve money from teaching at a dojang, it is not a true dojang, it's just a business."

Any of the instructors in my school would teach for free if it were possible but unfortunately there's this thing called 'reality'.