Would you still consider a green belt a beginner?
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wow. you seem to be getting really wrapped around the axle with this. Whatever you've decided to name your classes, advanced, intermediate, beginner, etc is really arbitrary. That logic would suggest you only have beginner and advanced students in your school, whereas it's most likely the majority of students fall somewhere in between.
If you really want to codify your students that much you should delineate a beginner-advanced for both yudansha and mudansha, separate from each other...starting over at "shodan," or black belt, as it loosely translates to "beginning student."
It depends on where you get the green belt and the order that its in with the rest of the belts but generally the green belt is used to mean intermediate. But its really all relative. Some high level instructors wear white belts to show the circular path of learning they've taken.
I don't know what "yudansha" or "mudansha" means. As for codifying, I don't want to codify anything. At least I don't think so. I don't really use that term.
"Yudansha" would indicate the black belt ranks, "mudansha" would be the ranks below black belt.
Ah. That's pretty much how I think of students in striking arts. In bjj, I think of whites and blues as guys I can roll with, and other belts as guys I pay for privates.
Yet lots of them do. And that's how you know if a MA school is any good, you observe a class and if the black belts are terrible than you know its a belt factory or a McDojo as they might call it.
Why not?
Is this a serious question?
Jaeimseu
3rd Black Belt
I think it may be a serious question, at least from a taekwondo perspective. I consider 1st dan black belt to be kind of a beginner rank, especially here in Korea where it can be earned in a year or a little less.
drop bear
Sr. Grandmaster
Because I have a big mouth and like to talk. Besides, how can I answer if I'm a loss for words? It would come out muted.
(Okay, poor humor aside, please forgive it.) White belts, yellow belts, green belts, there's not a heck of a lot of difference. Might be to them, but that's because they're white belts, yellow belts and green belts. They're still in boot camp. You can take the most athletic person you know, have him/her train in a really good Martial Arts school for a couple years and you'll still have an athletic beginner. Don't take my word for it, find one of those people and if they're still training ten years from now ask them what they knew in 2014, ask them how good they were at anything in Martial Arts. See what they tell you.
I have some belts. My favorite is a white belt in BJJ. Been a white belt for a long time, I have a lot of experience as a white belt. And if you've never trained in a grappling art I'll probably tie you up in knots. But I'm still a white belt. I'm still in boot camp. And I still suck at BJJ. This Martial stuff takes time. White belts in anything don't know sheet from tuna fish. (of course, that means you're reading something from a guy that doesn't know sheet from tuna fish) No matter how talented they are in other things.
Geesh, I talk a lot for a guy who's at a loss for words. I think I'll go have a tuna sandwich. (I better be careful!)
Yeah but coloured belts in bjj are generally a pretty big deal. Can teach at purple? Which could maybe sorta be equivalent of a green.
Yes, it is. I have black belts. I still consider myself a beginner. My Master considers himself a beginner. I don't see these as contradictory.
A martial artist isn't defined by the color of the fabric wrapped around their middle.
You need to go back and re-read some of the threads on kids and black belts. They do seem to be defined by by the color of the fabric around their waist.
And not necessarily in a good way.And DD, I know it sounds humble to say you are still a beginner after all these years of training, but you really arn't. You should give yourself some credit. How long have you been driving a car? Are you still a beginner? Please don'r say yes, that would be scary.
This is a big problem.
Jaeimseu
3rd Black Belt
It's a matter of perception. If a 1st dan is a beginner, it's not too big a problem.
You need to go back and re-read some of the threads on kids and black belts. They do seem to be defined by by the color of the fabric around their waist.
And DD, I know it sounds humble to say you are still a beginner after all these years of training, but you really arn't. You should give yourself some credit. How long have you been driving a car? Are you still a beginner? Please don'r say yes, that would be scary.
It's not a matter of humility. I know how much I know, and how much I don't know. And I know how completely unrelated to a belt color both those are.
drop bear
Sr. Grandmaster
As a beginner do you feel it would be appropriate to teach others?
