Would this work?

[Transk53]

We don't have to wait until they strike, that's a myth. The law here says that if you are in fear of your life you can strike first and you can use a weapon if you have something you can use.

This we can understand, and you are quite right. If myself and or one of my colleagues does feel a threat to our lives, we can strike. However in our experience, this depends on the type of copper that initially arrives on scene. Most that we have dealt with, are really quite level headed. However, some are pure and simply doorman haters. Now I offer no justification for that statement, you have to have done the job to comprehend that. So it is not just about the law, the human factor is intertwined with that.

contrary to what many believe no one has ever been prosecuted in this country for legitimately defending themselves, the CPS even put out a statement proving this.

Yes you are correct, the criminal protection society would rather get the SIA to suspend licences and put doorman out of work. Thankfully, most derive a second income from door work. There are those though who have it as their primary income.

My instructor is a head doorman in Newcastle and they do use traditional SD in fact they use TMA techniques to 'defend' themselves.

Could you please elaborate on what TMA techniques a doorman is allowed to use. My and my team, plus other colleagues, work as part of a SIA Approved Contractor. As a senior officer, it is part of my role to suggest new training or updates at our seniors meetings. We recently undertook the accredited close control and restraint updates as part of the SIA framework. Not really that good. If you have time, could you please list what you have alluded too. Perhaps they could be used in a training package or such like. Cheeky I know, but cheers anyway.

 

[Tez3]

This we can understand, and you are quite right. If myself and or one of my colleagues does feel a threat to our lives, we can strike. However in our experience, this depends on the type of copper that initially arrives on scene. Most that we have dealt with, are really quite level headed. However, some are pure and simply doorman haters. Now I offer no justification for that statement, you have to have done the job to comprehend that. So it is not just about the law, the human factor is intertwined with that.



Yes you are correct, the criminal protection society would rather get the SIA to suspend licences and put doorman out of work. Thankfully, most derive a second income from door work. There are those though who have it as their primary income.



Could you please elaborate on what TMA techniques a doorman is allowed to use. My and my team, plus other colleagues, work as part of a SIA Approved Contractor. As a senior officer, it is part of my role to suggest new training or updates at our seniors meetings. We recently undertook the accredited close control and restraint updates as part of the SIA framework. Not really that good. If you have time, could you please list what you have alluded too. Perhaps they could be used in a training package or such like. Cheeky I know, but cheers anyway.

Firstly, I have worked both sides both on the doors and as a copper.
One of the reasons I asked if you have trained with Geoff Thompson is that he's one of the best trainers in the business, knows door work like the back of his hand, knows what works, what doesn't. Have a look at what he's offering.

 

[Transk53]

Firstly, I have worked both sides both on the doors and as a copper.
One of the reasons I asked if you have trained with Geoff Thompson is that he's one of the best trainers in the business, knows door work like the back of his hand, knows what works, what doesn't. Have a look at what he's offering.

Cool. Thank you. I will pass on his details onto the company management. Thanks again!

 

[Tez3]

The man....

 

[Tez3]

Try this as well, Coaches The British Combat Association I'd look at Mo Teague, the guy does what it says on the can, he's the real thing. Not too far away in Dorset.

 

[Hanzou]

From the position he was standing she could have performed both the elbow strike and the kick to the groin even if he did not react at all.

This is what I'm talking about:





I would have preferred no reaction over the reactions he was doing in both vids. For example, the elbow to the solar plexus is made more potent because the attacker is supposedly holding his throat and sticking his chest out after a throat strike.

After the elbow, his legs supposedly open up so that you can kick him in the groin.

 

[Tez3]

 

[Hanzou]

elbow to the sternum. From someone who has 20 kilos on you.

Yeah that too.

 

[ballen0351]

That's an interesting comparison, considering that the two have nothing to do with each other....

Really? I big bad MMA fighter accidentally get hit in the groin and drops to his knees in the "cage" where to people like you is the only place where you see real fighting. That's ok but a guy bends over on a training video and it's way over the top? Ok pal whatever you say. You can do better where is your training videos

 

[Hanzou]

Really? I big bad MMA fighter accidentally get hit in the groin and drops to his knees in the "cage" where to people like you is the only place where you see real fighting. That's ok but a guy bends over on a training video and it's way over the top? Ok pal whatever you say.

The big bad MMA fighter isn't teaching people how to defend themselves.

You can do better where is your training videos

Check out Stephan Kesting's self defense vids. Those would be the type of SD vids I would put out.

 

[Tez3]

And I would put out videos like Beyoncé.......

 

[Transk53]

The big bad MMA fighter isn't teaching people how to defend themselves.



Check out Stephan Kesting's self defense vids. Those would be the type of SD vids I would put out.

Stephan Kesting Grapplearts

This fella?
Copied on my phone, hope linkage works.

 

[ballen0351]

The big bad MMA fighter isn't teaching people how to defend themselves.

So when you hit in the groin what is the proper reaction? Stand there and laugh? If it can drop a trained fighter wearing a cup to his knees why is it out of the realm of possibilities to make a man bend over?

 

[Tez3]

Stephan Kesting Grapplearts

This fella?
Copied on my phone, hope linkage works.

Teach yourself by video, very expensive too.

 

[Hanzou]

Stephan Kesting Grapplearts

This fella?
Copied on my phone, hope linkage works.

Yep. He has a pretty solid self defense series.

So when you hit in the groin what is the proper reaction? Stand there and laugh? If it can drop a trained fighter wearing a cup to his knees why is it out of the realm of possibilities to make a man bend over?

If you read my post, I wasn't talking about the groin strike, I'm talking about the exaggerated reactions that make the strikes supposedly possible. That argument has nothing to do with what a professional athlete does when another professional athlete kicks him in the groin.

 

[Tez3]

Yep. He has a pretty solid self defense series.
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At quite a price! does he actually teach real people in classes or just sell merchandise?

 

[ballen0351]

If you read my post, I wasn't talking about the groin strike, I'm talking about the exaggerated reactions that make the strikes supposedly possible. That argument has nothing to do with what a professional athlete does when another professional athlete kicks him in the groin.

Sure it does you have said countless times in the"cage" is how we see if these things really work

 

[Tony Dismukes]

Would this work?

Tim's reactions to the strikes are pretty over the top. I hope he doesn't do that when he really trains people.

It's a news fluff piece that is essentially advertising for Larkin. Part of selling the product is to make it seem like the reporter can use the material shown effectively even though she's had all of 3 minutes instruction and is doing the technique terribly. It's pretty much a formula that I've seen any time a news station runs a bit on women's self defense and sends a reporter to a local dojo for a set piece. The instructor will act like the reporters strikes are devastating and will take a dive for any half-*** takedowns.

I do agree with other posters that the elbow to the midsection is the weakest part of the sequence.

My biggest concern though is how often is the person going to train for this situation? Unless she is going to train it enough for it to become instinctive, I have concerns as to how effective it would be in a real situation.

This is my complaint in general with any sort of short-term "self-defense" seminars/courses that focus on physical techniques. Learning to fight effectively requires building ingrained skills and attributes and that takes time.

I've seen more "exaggerated" responses from UFC fighters that take an accidental hit to the groin then this. I didn't see anything too terribly wrong with this.

For the record, probably 95% of the time when a professional fighter in the ring displays a dramatic reaction to a groin shot it's a deliberate act to work the ref - trying to get the opponent penalized, or get some rest time, or just trying to get the ref watching the opponent for further infractions. I watched Bernard Hopkins do this in a recent fight. He would land a solid low blow to his opponent at an angle where the ref couldn't see, then when his opponent later paid him back in view of the ref he put on a show worthy of the Shakespearean stage trying to demonstrate how badly he had been fouled. (He did the same thing later in the fight with rabbit punches.)

 

[Hanzou]

At quite a price! does he actually teach real people in classes or just sell merchandise?

Both. He teaches out of Canada. He's pretty respected all around, and he has tons of free stuff to view and read.

 

[Hanzou]

It's a news fluff piece that is essentially advertising for Larkin. Part of selling the product is to make it seem like the reporter can use the material shown effectively even though she's had all of 3 minutes instruction and is doing the technique terribly. It's pretty much a formula that I've seen any time a news station runs a bit on women's self defense and sends a reporter to a local dojo for a set piece. The instructor will act like the reporters strikes are devastating and will take a dive for any half-*** takedowns.

I do agree with other posters that the elbow to the midsection is the weakest part of the sequence.

Well he does the same thing in the OP video too. Shin kick to the throat causes guy to roll over onto his back gasping for air. This allows you to stomp his chest. Assailant is so hurt by the stomp and throat kick that you can neck crank him to death.